Dear Morrissey . . .

eminds me of early noughties Madonna saying she couldn’t even bring herself to sing Vogue in the bath anymore.

I can't bring myself to sing "Vogue" in the bath either

Recent protests by animal rights activists in Toronto involved picketing a "farm-to-table" carnivore restaurant that engaged in sustainable and humane practice. The hypocrisy of having animal rights activists protest a restaurant that was making an attempt at a more ethical method of carnivorism caused the restaurant's popularity to spike-- it is now always full. People argued that these protesters ought to be picketing McDonald's, or any other restaurant that relied upon factory-farm processes.

well there's a difference between animal rights and animal welfare: you could keep your cow in a velvet-lined, heated barn and handfeed her the finest grasses, then that's a welfare issue, but if you're going to kill her once she reaches a certain age, then that would not be in the cow's interests and would in fact be in violation of her right to life if such a thing were protected by law. it really doesn't matter from that POV how the cow has been treated up to that point, at that one moment of death that's a huge breach of the duty of care that we have by bringing her into this world. i can guess why they targeted that one restaurant though. it's possible that people who go there might consider the issues more closely as they may well care about the animal welfare in the first place (would suggest that's rather unlikely to happen in that sort of confrontational us-vs-them situation though). secondly a focussed protest like that might get more media coverage than just another demo outside McD's (and that's basically half of what the protest is trying to achieve in the first place). i don't condone it btw, but i do understand what they were up to

mozzer seems more like a welfarist to me btw than a rights person, despite writing meat is murder

most of all he seems like an idiot racist though, let’s be clear

Btw "It’s very difficult to locate them now in a supermarket," he said. "Obviously I wouldn’t ever buy eggs, but it’s worth taking note of these things."

I trust we are all in agreement here, there is 0% doubt that he buys eggs all the fucking time? Like this is as transparent as a trump tweet

Xp I think he comes across as a person who only cares about the suffering of animals insofar as it provides a vehicle for white supremacist preening

"cares about" shd prob be "enjoys"

Where were all the Mammal Rights activists when we were dinosaur food for a couple of hundred million years, eh Mozza? Anyway lots of people cannot afford to be vegetarians, it is quite an expensive lifestyle choice and not one I'd sacrifice booze for tbh.

Booze is Burder

as much as I'm taking the piss, I did vegetarianism for 15 years of my life. Then came the epiphany....

i was a vegetarian for 16 years before I had the epiphany (and went vegan)

it really doesn't matter from that POV how the cow has been treated up to that point

a guy I know who's been one of the major voices for animal welfare now does some work that involves just comforting animals who are being taken to slaughter. giving them water (since no-one else will), drying them off if they're sweating from their long, cramped transport. I think a lot of thinking in recent years has been toward "are our practices reducing animal suffering?" -- since reducing animal death is always going to rely on individuals' decisions.

my god, that is an amazing thing to do jclc

I think he comes across as a person who only cares about the suffering of animals insofar as it provides a vehicle for white supremacist preening

It gives him another reason to despise people who aren't Morrissey.

lots of people cannot afford to be vegetarians, it is quite an expensive lifestyle choice

meat is expensive and a huge unsustainable waste of resources. if our political & economic systems weren't set up to pump money into animal agriculture industries and deprive poor communities of access to fresh food then vegetarianism would be the cheaper lifestyle choice. depending on your situation it might currently be cheaper!

I'll admit are all sorts of environmental wrongs attached to meat consumption and too much of it is consumed in the West. But it is cheaper, particularly in the Asian supermarket I use, in which I have never seen any vegetarian options. And I'm dirt poor right now and expecting things to get worse tbh.

I reckon the absolute ridicule that was heaped on Morrissey's novel a few years back must have really bruised that monumental ego of his. But perhaps it wasn't a formative moment, like Hitler being told to fuck off by the Vienna school. He was already an established arsehole at this point. But he might have a similar messiah complex. All these forces working against this great misunderstood artist and not recognising his unparalleled genius etc..

being vegetarian is extremely cheap for me but it depends on ones tolerance for porridge, congee and beans as 90% of your diet

porridge, congee and beans

First-draft name for what became Earth, Wind & Fire.

haha

that sounds totally fucking unpalatable, Jim, but I wouldn't doubt you feel very healthy on that diet.

well I'm regular anyway

Calz, I’m in a very huge tarka dal phase at the moment which is a bonus because it’s so cheap to make - the Asians who are your neighbours live on dal and rice so if you’ve got all the usual Asian spices plus chilli/garlic/ginger and onion/tomato, you’re in business.

Protip: in the weeks before Ramadan and Diwali, 5k bags of basmati rice are £5 and so many store cupboard ingredients that Asian families use are also on offer at those times. SUCK ON THAT, MOZ.

If anybody is so distraught they're contemplating selling their Smiths / Moz vinyl, let me know. I've got a couple singles missing in my collection that I'd like to fill.

Oh Jesus I don't have time to read 80 something posts but as the starter of this thread I guess I am curious as to what he's done now. Can someone please summarize?

xxp

Cheers Suzy. I got wise wise to the sacks of rice (and the 7.5kg sacks of rooster potatoes for under £3!). I've got everything bar the split peas and the tomatoes for a tarka dal. Will try one on Thursday got some nice chilli con carne to reheat tomorrow. Moz really wouldn't approve of my local supermarket, they close for an hour for prayers every friday!

it's all in this one post enbb:

Dear Morrissey . . .

I've spent an embarrassing amount of time today contemplating a fantasy in which doctors discover a large benign tumor pressing on Morrissey's frontal lobe, and after having it removed, he wakes up on the operating table and exclaims "I said what about Hitler???? I said WHAT about Chinese people???? I TOOK "ROY'S KEEN" OFF THE MALADJUSTED REISSUE???????"

Back in reality, meanwhile, he has finally completed his inevitable transformation into a full-on Fox News grandpa.

Dear Morrissey,

You're a fucking idiot.

Not Yours Anymore,

Erica

xpost - thank you N

I'm not really surprised by his racism so much as his stupidity, he really is a dolt.

xpost - tbc it's not like I've only just realized this

"what did he do now": the morrissey thread

@'ing Nick B, thanks for all your excellent points

I have some responses but I think they're just derail-y

Johnny Marr is back in MCR since a few years ago.

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let it be known that I first parsed this as My Chemical Romance and was very confused

I did the same.

I was (ovo-lacto) vegetarian until my mid-20s and I didn't find it more expensive at all? I don't think lentils and tofu are more expensive than meat? Not saying I'm going back.

Tofu is very expensive in the UK! But lentils are dirt cheap yeah. But I also have to cook for a 16 year with autism, which is a tough gig, believe me! I'd happily buy shitloads of beans and pulses and chickpeas and keep it simple, in fact I try to do that - but when you cook things that don't get eaten and the dog can't have them because of the garlic/onions it feels like a dreadful waste.

Does he actually not think that halal meat existed before ISIS btw? I'm trying to wrap my head around that one.

He would know that, he grew up in the UK after all, Muslims aren't exactly a novelty, I don't what he's talking about tbh.

No point trying to find any sense in this fool's pronouncements. Or any logic to his spiel at all, he's just an incredibly stupid narcissist + racist twat who was over-indulged for too long.

i can't find anything about this supposed For Britain animal rights policy fwiw

Another group called Britain First murdered an MP in cold blood in the street a couple of years back. I didn't hear Morrissey's views on that incident.

"In modern Britain everyone seems petrified to officially say what we all say in private. Politicians tell us they are unafraid, but they are never the victims. How easy to be unafraid when one is protected from the line of fire. The people have no such protections."

fwiw

How easy to be unafraid when one is protected from the line of fire - Morrissey

Re: For Britain's animal rights policy - not sure if they're even properly set up as a party or ever will be, so individual policies is a bit of a stretch. Guessing he's in regular contact with Anne Marie Waters and she agrees with him about this stuff, and that's about it.

I am kind of grimly fascinated with her as a person who manages to be Irish, a lesbian and LGBT activist, a self-identified feminist, a former director of the National Secular Society, but also a straight-up fascist, on the board of Pegida UK and with connections to every British far-right or white nationalist group you can think of. How does she manage to square those things? Is this something we're going to see more of in the future?

End the live export of animals;
End religious slaughter;
Prioritise a culture of animal welfare in agriculture;

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/forbritain/pages/113/attachments/original/1519030879/Manfiesto_2.pdf?1519030879

xp she is very confusing - a British nationalist from Dublin, someone who was in contention to be a Labour parliamentary candidate four or five years ago but who didn’t get the gig and defected to UKIP, so weird, so contrary

I guess that Irish blood, English heart nonsense of Morrissey’s would have appealed to her anyway

That is quite a policy document right there. Who in their right mind would support that apparently random mix of reactionary tabloid fascism and half-digested social democracy? Apart from Morrissey ofc.

Maybe she's in the Moseley mode of just shopping around ideologies looking for someone to give her power before ending up a fascist.

Re: For Britain's animal rights policy - not sure if they're even properly set up as a party or ever will be, so individual policies is a bit of a stretch. Guessing he's in regular contact with Anne Marie Waters and she agrees with him about this stuff, and that's about it.

I didn't know that she was either Irish (!) or a former Labour member. She was shortlisted in Brighton Pavilion in 2013 when her views were already known by the party!
http://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2013/07/19/labour-poised-to-choose-parliamentary-candidate-for-brighton-pavilion/22599/

But I suppose it's no less contradictory than Morrissey being a massive racist to almost every group out there but yet seeming to be supportive of his Mexican fans?