Dear Morrissey . . .

He also goes on a tear about Sadiq and his “inability to speak properly.” Something tells me Sadiq’s perfectly charming South London accent wasn’t the issue...

He’s so awful. Makes you almost grateful he doesn’t use twitter.

@ NickB the efforts of animal rights groups have effectively devastated an economy of seal hunting, butchering and selling of seal fur, that Inuit people in Canada have historically relied upon for their survival. The methods used to advance the propaganda of the seal hunt include dissemination of incorrect information and statistics.

yeah, i can't argue in support of that and i can only speak for my own experience in the UK i'm afraid. would agree that protests targeted at specific ethnic groups is inherently racist and i will never support such campaigns. ironically you could quote a smiths song here: barbarism begins at home - it should be the injustices in your own community that you should be looking at, whether that's animal exploitation or social injustice or whatever. fortunately i haven't encountered organised campaigning from the animal rights sector in the UK that specifically addresses halal slaughter (i'm not saying it doesn't exist though, it just hasn't penetrated my own particular bubble; i do stay waaaay clear of PETA though and wouldnt be entirely shocked if they were thoughtlessly banging away at that drum). the people i have heard speaking out about it are pretty much out and out racists like morrissey, or it's been yer man-in-the-street oi-guv average guy necrovore expressing anguish that the animals they've consumed have experienced pain and suffering as though all other beings killed for meat in a proper british way just peacefully pass away, blissfully unaware of their fate (so yeah, these guys are pretty much racists too)

sorry i'm rambling, will think about the rest of your post later

Something like 90-95% of halal meat in the UK is pre-stunned, meaning the only significant difference is a few extra prayers, iiirc.

Moz has lived too long; what a shitbird

wow so sad that morrissey died in 1994 shortly after releasing vauxhall and i

Headline: extremely conceited person thinks everyone else should fuck off and pretends to care a tremendous amount about things that aren’t other people

@ NickB the efforts of animal rights groups have effectively devastated an economy of seal hunting, butchering and selling of seal fur, that Inuit people in Canada have historically relied upon for their survival. The methods used to advance the propaganda of the seal hunt include dissemination of incorrect information and statistics.

oops sorry, just backing up here: one thing i meant to add is that possibly the racism inherent in this activism is not out of keeping with racism towards inuits across wider society? this may be an example of that societal racism in practice, rather than prejudice exclusive to whatever AR groups were involved

I think the best method of convincing people toward veganism/vegetarianism is by learning how to cook vegan and doing so spectacularly

agreed!!

it pisses me off that racist man-children like Morrissey and toothless dorks like Moby feel so entitled to spout all this ignorant, offensive bullshit and turn animal rights activism into a punching bag once again.

Morrissey. pic.twitter.com/skhglv6U2i

— Mark Gillies (@5goalthriller) April 17, 2018

Green Party wouldn't ban halal slaughter, this is his number one concern, For Britain do actually seem to be the party that best represent the nazi vegan viewpoint at the moment.

i don't think morrissey has ever said he's vegan tbh and for britain definitely are not. johnny marr is though and he's a pretty good guy imo

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And Johnny Marr lives in Britain, afaik.

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johnny marr was living in portland recent iirc. and yes, morrissey is not a vegan, which is quite hilarious - dairy industry is equally as cruel as meat industry - and usually involved with it - and involves lots of slaughter

I've recently lapsed in my veganism due to laziness and dating someone who isn't even vegetarian. have eggs and fish on occasion now. i was never a particularly bolshie vegan because people are unpleasant enough to you if they inadvertently find out about it, let alone if you try and proselytize to them, but i always judged bolshie vegetarians because they're awful hypocrites. I'm now a hypocrite in a quiet, private way (excluding this post on ilxor.com)

Johnny Marr is back in MCR since a few years ago.

ah right. that's a shame i always fancied bumping into him and being an awful fanboy when i go down to portland for the weekend ;_;

wow so sad that morrissey died in 1994 shortly after releasing vauxhall and i

Really sad; wonder what he’d be up to now?

Find it hilarious that he disavowed all of the Smiths stuff; reminds me of early noughties Madonna saying she couldn’t even bring herself to sing Vogue in the bath anymore.

Johnny Marr is back in MCR since a few years ago.

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let it be known that I first parsed this as My Chemical Romance and was very confused

Disavowed?

The only thing left that's admireable about him is how his latest live gigs (whichever time period) concentrate on his latest album, whichever one it happens to be.

The only time I saw him live solo, at a Reading Festival, he did a number of Smiths songs, he sang them fine but the guitarist isn't Johnny Marr so I guess that's why not. (Conversely, Johnny Marr is Johnny Marr, and can sing a bit like Morrissey so his live versions are fine).

I would say also, this is all one big reason that there will never be a Smiths reunion. I doubt Johnny would touch it with a bargepole now.

he was still doing smiths stuff* really recently, has he actually disavowed it?

*in a slowed down pop-punk all bar chords fucking unmusical turgid and pointless manner

I thought someone was re-working all the smiths songs to be ode's to the joy of meat?

Well, I heard he was using "Meat is Murder" song as a base for a long presentation of films and photos and stuff, recently. I'm guessing he doesn't break into "You're the one for me, fatty" to cheer the audience up after..

There is never anything admirable about concentrating on the latest morrissey album

Not me, him.

It isn't admirable when he does it

Put it this way, he could do a "Vauxhall and I" evening, I still wouldn't bother.

I'd really like to see a Morrissey/Elton John collaboration.

I'd like to see them collaborate on a blindfolded walk through a minefield, the tory cunts!

Shit wrong login

hah! at least Elton John did some decent songs once.

he also has a foundation that has raised $200 million for hiv related programs

eminds me of early noughties Madonna saying she couldn’t even bring herself to sing Vogue in the bath anymore.

I can't bring myself to sing "Vogue" in the bath either

Recent protests by animal rights activists in Toronto involved picketing a "farm-to-table" carnivore restaurant that engaged in sustainable and humane practice. The hypocrisy of having animal rights activists protest a restaurant that was making an attempt at a more ethical method of carnivorism caused the restaurant's popularity to spike-- it is now always full. People argued that these protesters ought to be picketing McDonald's, or any other restaurant that relied upon factory-farm processes.

well there's a difference between animal rights and animal welfare: you could keep your cow in a velvet-lined, heated barn and handfeed her the finest grasses, then that's a welfare issue, but if you're going to kill her once she reaches a certain age, then that would not be in the cow's interests and would in fact be in violation of her right to life if such a thing were protected by law. it really doesn't matter from that POV how the cow has been treated up to that point, at that one moment of death that's a huge breach of the duty of care that we have by bringing her into this world. i can guess why they targeted that one restaurant though. it's possible that people who go there might consider the issues more closely as they may well care about the animal welfare in the first place (would suggest that's rather unlikely to happen in that sort of confrontational us-vs-them situation though). secondly a focussed protest like that might get more media coverage than just another demo outside McD's (and that's basically half of what the protest is trying to achieve in the first place). i don't condone it btw, but i do understand what they were up to

mozzer seems more like a welfarist to me btw than a rights person, despite writing meat is murder

most of all he seems like an idiot racist though, let’s be clear

Btw "It’s very difficult to locate them now in a supermarket," he said. "Obviously I wouldn’t ever buy eggs, but it’s worth taking note of these things."

I trust we are all in agreement here, there is 0% doubt that he buys eggs all the fucking time? Like this is as transparent as a trump tweet

Xp I think he comes across as a person who only cares about the suffering of animals insofar as it provides a vehicle for white supremacist preening

"cares about" shd prob be "enjoys"

Where were all the Mammal Rights activists when we were dinosaur food for a couple of hundred million years, eh Mozza? Anyway lots of people cannot afford to be vegetarians, it is quite an expensive lifestyle choice and not one I'd sacrifice booze for tbh.

Booze is Burder

as much as I'm taking the piss, I did vegetarianism for 15 years of my life. Then came the epiphany....

i was a vegetarian for 16 years before I had the epiphany (and went vegan)

it really doesn't matter from that POV how the cow has been treated up to that point

a guy I know who's been one of the major voices for animal welfare now does some work that involves just comforting animals who are being taken to slaughter. giving them water (since no-one else will), drying them off if they're sweating from their long, cramped transport. I think a lot of thinking in recent years has been toward "are our practices reducing animal suffering?" -- since reducing animal death is always going to rely on individuals' decisions.

my god, that is an amazing thing to do jclc

I think he comes across as a person who only cares about the suffering of animals insofar as it provides a vehicle for white supremacist preening

It gives him another reason to despise people who aren't Morrissey.

lots of people cannot afford to be vegetarians, it is quite an expensive lifestyle choice

meat is expensive and a huge unsustainable waste of resources. if our political & economic systems weren't set up to pump money into animal agriculture industries and deprive poor communities of access to fresh food then vegetarianism would be the cheaper lifestyle choice. depending on your situation it might currently be cheaper!

I'll admit are all sorts of environmental wrongs attached to meat consumption and too much of it is consumed in the West. But it is cheaper, particularly in the Asian supermarket I use, in which I have never seen any vegetarian options. And I'm dirt poor right now and expecting things to get worse tbh.

I reckon the absolute ridicule that was heaped on Morrissey's novel a few years back must have really bruised that monumental ego of his. But perhaps it wasn't a formative moment, like Hitler being told to fuck off by the Vienna school. He was already an established arsehole at this point. But he might have a similar messiah complex. All these forces working against this great misunderstood artist and not recognising his unparalleled genius etc..

being vegetarian is extremely cheap for me but it depends on ones tolerance for porridge, congee and beans as 90% of your diet

porridge, congee and beans

First-draft name for what became Earth, Wind & Fire.

haha

that sounds totally fucking unpalatable, Jim, but I wouldn't doubt you feel very healthy on that diet.

well I'm regular anyway

Calz, I’m in a very huge tarka dal phase at the moment which is a bonus because it’s so cheap to make - the Asians who are your neighbours live on dal and rice so if you’ve got all the usual Asian spices plus chilli/garlic/ginger and onion/tomato, you’re in business.

Protip: in the weeks before Ramadan and Diwali, 5k bags of basmati rice are £5 and so many store cupboard ingredients that Asian families use are also on offer at those times. SUCK ON THAT, MOZ.