Dear Morrissey . . .

Green Party wouldn't ban halal slaughter, this is his number one concern, For Britain do actually seem to be the party that best represent the nazi vegan viewpoint at the moment.

i don't think morrissey has ever said he's vegan tbh and for britain definitely are not. johnny marr is though and he's a pretty good guy imo

And Johnny Marr lives in Britain, afaik.

No problem with vegans, just nazi vegans, who seem to be quite a tiny minority of vegans. (Morrissey does seem to be a vegan btw, see hilarious section of the interview about looking for eggs in Tesco)

He used to live on egg and chips.

A tee-total vegan, god help us he will probably make it to 140.

"vegetarianism breeds misanthropy, which then distills itself into permitting oneself to have racist ideas and opinions"

i think this is a thing that animal rights communities are aware of and strive to challenge - it's something you see arguments about on social media farily frequently - but as far as my own experience goes i reckon the level of prejudice within animal welfare/animal rights groups is somewhat less than you'd encounter in wider society?

We should hash this out somewhere. I know a pretty good Argentinian Steakhouse, Nick :p

i mean, a lot of animal rights people come from the whole social justice/environmental justice axis xp

Thought Morrissey was supposed to be a beer monster tbh

I seem to remember him talking of his admiration for English football hooligans, so perhaps he is some kind of failed version of a beer monster/lad type, with added racism and shit lyrics.

I heard Sheila Take a Bow for the first time yesterday, in the lobby of a hotel. Dear Morrissey, your band’s shit.

@ NickB the efforts of animal rights groups have effectively devastated an economy of seal hunting, butchering and selling of seal fur, that Inuit people in Canada have historically relied upon for their survival. The methods used to advance the propaganda of the seal hunt include dissemination of incorrect information and statistics.

Recent protests by animal rights activists in Toronto involved picketing a "farm-to-table" carnivore restaurant that engaged in sustainable and humane practice. The hypocrisy of having animal rights activists protest a restaurant that was making an attempt at a more ethical method of carnivorism caused the restaurant's popularity to spike-- it is now always full. People argued that these protesters ought to be picketing McDonald's, or any other restaurant that relied upon factory-farm processes.

I myself suppose that the impulse that drives people toward isolating individual groups (the Inuit; upper-middle-class-white-people-in-my-neighbourhood-with-affectations-toward-farm-to-table-dining) and targeting them as being cruel and unjust and inhumane is rooted in the synapse between "an emotional response toward images of animal cruelty" and racism or anti-bourgeois sentiment, respectively. Hate the seal hunt because you're racist. Hate nose-to-tail because you hate the bourgeois. Hate people in fur coats because you hate the rich. Either way, they're forms of misanthropy-- not actually targeting the war-machines against animals, but sublimating latent forms of misanthropy and using animal rights as a weapon toward expressing hatred for your fellow humans

I have no opinion either way, I think the best method of convincing people toward veganism/vegetarianism is by learning how to cook vegan and doing so spectacularly

He also goes on a tear about Sadiq and his “inability to speak properly.” Something tells me Sadiq’s perfectly charming South London accent wasn’t the issue...

He’s so awful. Makes you almost grateful he doesn’t use twitter.

@ NickB the efforts of animal rights groups have effectively devastated an economy of seal hunting, butchering and selling of seal fur, that Inuit people in Canada have historically relied upon for their survival. The methods used to advance the propaganda of the seal hunt include dissemination of incorrect information and statistics.

yeah, i can't argue in support of that and i can only speak for my own experience in the UK i'm afraid. would agree that protests targeted at specific ethnic groups is inherently racist and i will never support such campaigns. ironically you could quote a smiths song here: barbarism begins at home - it should be the injustices in your own community that you should be looking at, whether that's animal exploitation or social injustice or whatever. fortunately i haven't encountered organised campaigning from the animal rights sector in the UK that specifically addresses halal slaughter (i'm not saying it doesn't exist though, it just hasn't penetrated my own particular bubble; i do stay waaaay clear of PETA though and wouldnt be entirely shocked if they were thoughtlessly banging away at that drum). the people i have heard speaking out about it are pretty much out and out racists like morrissey, or it's been yer man-in-the-street oi-guv average guy necrovore expressing anguish that the animals they've consumed have experienced pain and suffering as though all other beings killed for meat in a proper british way just peacefully pass away, blissfully unaware of their fate (so yeah, these guys are pretty much racists too)

sorry i'm rambling, will think about the rest of your post later

Something like 90-95% of halal meat in the UK is pre-stunned, meaning the only significant difference is a few extra prayers, iiirc.

Moz has lived too long; what a shitbird

wow so sad that morrissey died in 1994 shortly after releasing vauxhall and i

Headline: extremely conceited person thinks everyone else should fuck off and pretends to care a tremendous amount about things that aren’t other people

@ NickB the efforts of animal rights groups have effectively devastated an economy of seal hunting, butchering and selling of seal fur, that Inuit people in Canada have historically relied upon for their survival. The methods used to advance the propaganda of the seal hunt include dissemination of incorrect information and statistics.

oops sorry, just backing up here: one thing i meant to add is that possibly the racism inherent in this activism is not out of keeping with racism towards inuits across wider society? this may be an example of that societal racism in practice, rather than prejudice exclusive to whatever AR groups were involved

I think the best method of convincing people toward veganism/vegetarianism is by learning how to cook vegan and doing so spectacularly

agreed!!

it pisses me off that racist man-children like Morrissey and toothless dorks like Moby feel so entitled to spout all this ignorant, offensive bullshit and turn animal rights activism into a punching bag once again.

Morrissey. pic.twitter.com/skhglv6U2i

— Mark Gillies (@5goalthriller) April 17, 2018

Green Party wouldn't ban halal slaughter, this is his number one concern, For Britain do actually seem to be the party that best represent the nazi vegan viewpoint at the moment.

i don't think morrissey has ever said he's vegan tbh and for britain definitely are not. johnny marr is though and he's a pretty good guy imo

― i'm surprised to see your screwface at the door (NickB), Tuesday, April 17, 2018 7:24 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

And Johnny Marr lives in Britain, afaik.

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johnny marr was living in portland recent iirc. and yes, morrissey is not a vegan, which is quite hilarious - dairy industry is equally as cruel as meat industry - and usually involved with it - and involves lots of slaughter

I've recently lapsed in my veganism due to laziness and dating someone who isn't even vegetarian. have eggs and fish on occasion now. i was never a particularly bolshie vegan because people are unpleasant enough to you if they inadvertently find out about it, let alone if you try and proselytize to them, but i always judged bolshie vegetarians because they're awful hypocrites. I'm now a hypocrite in a quiet, private way (excluding this post on ilxor.com)

Johnny Marr is back in MCR since a few years ago.

ah right. that's a shame i always fancied bumping into him and being an awful fanboy when i go down to portland for the weekend ;_;

wow so sad that morrissey died in 1994 shortly after releasing vauxhall and i

Really sad; wonder what he’d be up to now?

Find it hilarious that he disavowed all of the Smiths stuff; reminds me of early noughties Madonna saying she couldn’t even bring herself to sing Vogue in the bath anymore.

Johnny Marr is back in MCR since a few years ago.

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let it be known that I first parsed this as My Chemical Romance and was very confused

Disavowed?

The only thing left that's admireable about him is how his latest live gigs (whichever time period) concentrate on his latest album, whichever one it happens to be.

The only time I saw him live solo, at a Reading Festival, he did a number of Smiths songs, he sang them fine but the guitarist isn't Johnny Marr so I guess that's why not. (Conversely, Johnny Marr is Johnny Marr, and can sing a bit like Morrissey so his live versions are fine).

I would say also, this is all one big reason that there will never be a Smiths reunion. I doubt Johnny would touch it with a bargepole now.

he was still doing smiths stuff* really recently, has he actually disavowed it?

*in a slowed down pop-punk all bar chords fucking unmusical turgid and pointless manner

I thought someone was re-working all the smiths songs to be ode's to the joy of meat?

Well, I heard he was using "Meat is Murder" song as a base for a long presentation of films and photos and stuff, recently. I'm guessing he doesn't break into "You're the one for me, fatty" to cheer the audience up after..

There is never anything admirable about concentrating on the latest morrissey album

Not me, him.

It isn't admirable when he does it

Put it this way, he could do a "Vauxhall and I" evening, I still wouldn't bother.

I'd really like to see a Morrissey/Elton John collaboration.

I'd like to see them collaborate on a blindfolded walk through a minefield, the tory cunts!

Shit wrong login

hah! at least Elton John did some decent songs once.

he also has a foundation that has raised $200 million for hiv related programs

eminds me of early noughties Madonna saying she couldn’t even bring herself to sing Vogue in the bath anymore.

I can't bring myself to sing "Vogue" in the bath either

Recent protests by animal rights activists in Toronto involved picketing a "farm-to-table" carnivore restaurant that engaged in sustainable and humane practice. The hypocrisy of having animal rights activists protest a restaurant that was making an attempt at a more ethical method of carnivorism caused the restaurant's popularity to spike-- it is now always full. People argued that these protesters ought to be picketing McDonald's, or any other restaurant that relied upon factory-farm processes.

well there's a difference between animal rights and animal welfare: you could keep your cow in a velvet-lined, heated barn and handfeed her the finest grasses, then that's a welfare issue, but if you're going to kill her once she reaches a certain age, then that would not be in the cow's interests and would in fact be in violation of her right to life if such a thing were protected by law. it really doesn't matter from that POV how the cow has been treated up to that point, at that one moment of death that's a huge breach of the duty of care that we have by bringing her into this world. i can guess why they targeted that one restaurant though. it's possible that people who go there might consider the issues more closely as they may well care about the animal welfare in the first place (would suggest that's rather unlikely to happen in that sort of confrontational us-vs-them situation though). secondly a focussed protest like that might get more media coverage than just another demo outside McD's (and that's basically half of what the protest is trying to achieve in the first place). i don't condone it btw, but i do understand what they were up to

mozzer seems more like a welfarist to me btw than a rights person, despite writing meat is murder

most of all he seems like an idiot racist though, let’s be clear

Btw "It’s very difficult to locate them now in a supermarket," he said. "Obviously I wouldn’t ever buy eggs, but it’s worth taking note of these things."

I trust we are all in agreement here, there is 0% doubt that he buys eggs all the fucking time? Like this is as transparent as a trump tweet

Xp I think he comes across as a person who only cares about the suffering of animals insofar as it provides a vehicle for white supremacist preening

"cares about" shd prob be "enjoys"

Where were all the Mammal Rights activists when we were dinosaur food for a couple of hundred million years, eh Mozza? Anyway lots of people cannot afford to be vegetarians, it is quite an expensive lifestyle choice and not one I'd sacrifice booze for tbh.

Booze is Burder

as much as I'm taking the piss, I did vegetarianism for 15 years of my life. Then came the epiphany....

i was a vegetarian for 16 years before I had the epiphany (and went vegan)