iyo did facebook ruin the internet?

it's gripping footage

bill nelson is actually asking decent questions
grassley is just unbelievable

this is so much like someone's grandparents asking their grandson to explain facebook to them...

nelson pressed him about which party really "owns" the data of a facebook user. they're talking about offering a premium version of facebook which would allow paying users to opt out of the harvesting of their data by advertisers. so you can either use the free version and have your data exploited by facebook and advertisers, or you can pay facebook so they won't exploit it.

zuckerberg's only response was that the first line of their privacy policy states that users own the data, not facebook.

so where's our royalties, Zucko??

also give me back my data from when I used facebook

deactivated my Facebook again - used it for the last couple months after not using it for several years.

Done for good this time i think. Not deleting the account because I'm in a group chat or two on messenger that i want to stay in

Someone need to, i don't know, compare Facebook to a large house where all your friends will be and what you need to provide for free entry is your email address, phone number, name, etc. And your age and workplace and where you live, if you'd like. Most people do it! Hang out and talk with your friends. All that data will be kept safe, don't worry about it.

Meanwhile, they'll also let in some entertainment, but if you want to see the entertainment you just need to sign a form with some disclaimers. However on the way out the door the entertainers will be provided with access to all the information you gave upon entry, oh AND a recording of all the conversations you've been having in the house.

i don't really care if that kind of thing is wholly accurate, it's just an example, but i want someone to spell it out in easy to understand terms why Facebook is so untrustworthy. i can't watch this now, maybe someone's going hard at him. it won't matter in the end, obviously.

Senator Wicker: "Do you think you could help me set up the Roku in the den, sonny?"

XD

I don't take many pictures or care for pictures, but I use Facebook for content sharing and keeping up with friends. I don't see myself quitting soon.

lost in all of this is a general drift toward handing more oversight to corporations. you expect the republicans on the panel to express great fear at the thought of "overregulating" facebook in response to all this. but some of the democrat's questions indicate they essentially feel the same about not wanting to get into facebook's business. i mean, who would disagree that facebook should pay attention to their own shit a little bit more, but it's odd that the regulators would proactively and repeatedly declare their goal to never have to think about facebook again. the corporate sector is absorbing certain responsibilities that were once thought to belong to the government, and so they grow more powerful.

one of these ancient tribesmen actually asked zuck how he made money on facebook if its free to use. zuck: uh, we run ads.

RIVETING!

I LOLed really hard at Lindsey Graham saying "'terms of service' - are you familiar with that?"

I hate the senate

this is incredible

roy blunt's questioning i mean

is it possible to deactivate your account and still use messenger? that's the only Facebook service i have any use for. i almost full deleted recently after 6 months of not touching fb but then a situation came up where i had to contact someone that i didn't have info for on any other platforms.

are senators allowed to coordinate questions with the interviewee? because there are some irrelevant questions that are getting well-prepared responses.

senator cruz is on the case
i didn't think there'd be someone more punchable in this hearing

and of course cruz' angle is that facebook suppresses conservative news/views

ted cruz is a force of nature

if facebook is a neutral public forum then why haven't they banned planned parenthood, moveon.org, and any democratic candidate for office

ted cruz is a force of nature

― had (crüt), Tuesday, April 10, 2018 3:18 PM (nineteen minutes ago)

similar to peristalsis

so where's our royalties, Zucko??

lol yes. and Google and Comcast and WellsFargo and Amazon and Apple and etc. etc.

it is frustrating sometimes, because so much of online activity is creative, it is akin to labor. a kind of virtual labor. fan art and things increase the value of a private brand, who can profit indirectly (or actively if the narrative fits the promotion cycle) from fan labor. the sad thing in all of this is the fans could be making something entirely original instead.

believe me i would love to live in a world where online labor is not merely harvested one-way but there is a kind of mutual sharing in its value. it can seem to be a crime that companies can profit off of us, but so many do, spanning everything from the insurance industry to cell phones to probably multiple "people" listening in when you bought that can opener last week. Facebook got caught doing shit but it is shit everyone is already swimming in. moneyed interests have compromised virtually every facet of society.

Facebook i can see them marketing some new more curated services. i have no problem with it, it is where my grandma and my aunt keeps in touch w all their kids and grandkids. or where my conspiracy video loving dad gets into dumb political arguments like me (and everybody else on the internet). Facebook is a way for them to connect to all these people they would have not otherwise gotten to spend time with. this is pretty valuable. for all the bad that it does, it does a lot of good things.

we have to deal with this new age of data but this is pure (robot) theater. we are talking an issue far bigger than this website. the dinosaurs in congress are entirely un-equipped to deal with anything computer. well maybe they are learning how to use Facebook lol. fact is, with computers things are very volatile, Facebook could easily slip away one day like Myspace or Friendster.

the 1st amendment was not written in an age of infinite instant global communication and the concepts of speech - not to mention time and space - and person-hood have drastically altered since that time practically, legally, and virtually. we need an internet free speech bill or something imo.

is it possible to deactivate your account and still use messenger? that's the only Facebook service i have any use for. i almost full deleted recently after 6 months of not touching fb but then a situation came up where i had to contact someone that i didn't have info for on any other platforms.

― ciderpress, Tuesday, April 10, 2018 4:07 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes you can. that's what I did.

as I mentioned upthread, whenever I try to do this it reactivates my account. no idea what I'm doing wrong but if I boot up messenger my profile appears back

really? i use the messenger app on the iphone and it does not reactivate my fb account.

It seems strange to me that someone would stop using the Facebook site/app, but continue to use their Messenger.

Like, "I will NOT look at photographs of my friends watching a baseball game, but I WILL allow them to eavesdrop and record every single thing I text, as well as the location I was in when I texted it."

I mean, I've got a Google Voice line I use, and I know that they're likely pulling out keywords to feed me ads. But at least they haven't sold 'em to the Russians.

so much of online activity is creative, it is akin to labor. a kind of virtual labor. fan art and things increase the value of a private brand

I've been toiling to put a little extra shine on the ILX brand for more than 16 years now, and so far, Ned hasn't paid out one dime on my investment.

i have the chrome (lol) extensions that block pixel and the FB ads. i have a flip phone, so no apps. i use FB to keep up with my family and my extremely large number of former students.

https://instagram.com/p/BhaSFhfF7IR/

It seems strange to me that someone would stop using the Facebook site/app, but continue to use their Messenger.

Like, "I will NOT look at photographs of my friends watching a baseball game, but I WILL allow them to eavesdrop and record every single thing I text, as well as the location I was in when I texted it."

― pplains, Tuesday, April 10, 2018 8:20 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

For me its just a way to be less distracted, lots of work and finals coming soon.

I mean, I've got a Google Voice line I use, and I know that they're likely pulling out keywords to feed me ads. But at least they haven't sold 'em to the Russians.

― pplains

that you know of.

Photo of Zuck's notes, by AP's @andyharnik pic.twitter.com/wF0WAkDdI4

— Stefan Becket (@becket) April 10, 2018

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xp

Zuck is the super creep but today was a reminder that technology reporters (???) are the only people dumber than the US Senate. The world needs fewer Nilay Patels and Leo Laportes.

i use Opera w the built-in VPN and Duck Duck Go as my search engine. plus Privacy Badger to block ad tracking. scrobble THIS motherfuckers

It seems strange to me that someone would stop using the Facebook site/app, but continue to use their Messenger.

Like, "I will NOT look at photographs of my friends watching a baseball game, but I WILL allow them to eavesdrop and record every single thing I text, as well as the location I was in when I texted it."

I'm not leaving for political reasons so much as personal reasons. I don't want to be on FB cos I'm spending too much time scrolling around on it, but there are still people on Messenger I don't want to lose contact with. If it were so simple I'd delete my account entirely, but it would mean losing touch with all sorts of friendships I've built up over the last 15 years or something.

But you'd still have us!

https://i.imgur.com/93oN16v.jpg

I'm trying to convince myself to make new local friends to make up for all the friends I lost when I dumped Facebook. It's not going great so far.

Before I deactivated, I messaged everyone I wanted to stay in touch with and sent them my number. I've now got a nice little Whatsapp group with local friends for organising get togethers and such. Not ideal - I don't see myself escaping the ZuckerEmpire any time soon

I still use facebook but i deleted the app and the messenger app and turned off "platform" and all third-party apps/sites.

If you lost a 'friend' because you got rid of Facebook, that wasn't a friendship. Is it really that hard to stay in touch via other means of communication? Certainly not hard to the extent that you would rather cut a 'friend' out of your life altogether.

I really dislike the people who use that app to track when they get defriended and then post about it on fb.

A lot of people I tended to keep in touch with over Facebook were music people - journalists, people in the local scene, musicians and geeks, as well as people back home who I don't really see very often but keep me up to date with what's going on. Always saw it as more than a fancy telephone for me and my pals

Signal isn't as cute as WhatsApp and it doesn't do embeds, but you can do group chat with it and it works fine.

Yep, Signal is perfectly functional.

If you lost a 'friend' because you got rid of Facebook, that wasn't a friendship. Is it really that hard to stay in touch via other means of communication? Certainly not hard to the extent that you would rather cut a 'friend' out of your life altogether.

― pomenitul

oh, bollocks. yeah, i know, if they were real friends we'd be out there sending smoke signals to each other across the continents and the fact that it was a horribly inconvenient and inefficient method of communication wouldn't matter at all. i guess i don't have any real friends, only chance acquaintances i've known and travelled across the country to visit and hung out with continuously over multiple media platforms for more than twenty years.

individual friendships? yeah, i can and do maintain them. an online social circle? no. not without facebook.

not only that but god bless you if your long time long-distance friends have kids and you expect to keep in touch with them

talk about so not gonna happen

Sorry, I'm not buying this Stockholm Syndrome bullshit. I keep in touch with my long-distance friends via e-mail and it works just fine.