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Belgian Fury sounds good, or is that what you call the old Stella, Scott?

i meant like, i dunno, delirium tremens or just stuff that knocked you down. i mean i loved that stuff. but now i wouldn't even think of buying it.

i enjoy the local mass monastery beers. Spencer. that's as strong as i get now.

i like light and fizzy liquids now. a friend of mine makes this stuff in town and i enjoy it. very light and refreshing ginger stuff.

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"scott you are making it sound like you are 80 or something"

i am actually turning 80 this year. well, 50. but that feels like 80 to me.

"Free-range parenting" is bad

Yeah that Spencer trappist ale is great

i generally agree on free range parenting, but i have a small sample size. the free range parents i know never step in when a parent should step in, there's a very large middle ground between helicopter parenting and free range, there's a sweet spot in there you just have to find.

Sanpaku we were just discussing rye and even Old Overholt a couple days ago while drinking Horse’s Necks, and the conclusion was that it a bad situation for rye. (I dont know shit about rye myself but those friends ~care~ about that stuff).

~20 years ago, there were only 2 ryes on the market. OO and Anchor Old Potrero. There are now dozens, enough for online 10-best lists. We've lived through a rye renaissance.

Movies are a lesser art form compared to writing, painting, or music.

i feel like there are movies coming out now that kinda blow away most books i read, paintings i see, and music i hear.

Not me. Movies are basically a garbage art form, especially "art" films, festival bullshit, and Oscar bait.

stray dogs alone eats most fine art for breakfast. and that is just the tip of a very big international iceberg of awesome stuff.

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xp

this is true but i don't feel it's especially contropy?

i can see "film buffs" getting offended but they're a minority

but i think movies are peak pop culture and pop culture = garbage culture

hollywood/mainstream stuff kinda blows right now. this i will grant you. but the great stuff has nothing to do with that.

i'm really down on painting these days. and museum art. art installations. sculpture. big piles of crap in galleries. i never see anything new that blows me away. i feel like everyone makes art now and there is just too much middling stuff. and all the really talented people are off making movies. art galleries/museums seem irrelevant to me. rich people stuff. networks of rich people/galleries/etc. auctions. fuck it.

There's tons of shitty art in the world, of course. But no movie I've ever seen compares to standing in the same room as a Richard Serra sculpture.

i can't really argue with you if you say you hate art movies or movies made artfully1
. they can be just as powerful as great music/writing/sculpture to me.

unperson otm

Arts that involve an aural component are invariably more moving than purely visual arts. Painting, architecture, sculpture, photography, drawing, etc. are all wonderful in their own right, but they've never ambushed me with sheer emotion the way music, literature and film have.

(this is a dumb convo but) literature doesn't really have an aural component

lots of great literature (prose, poetry) was first oral amigo

Movies are in no way a lesser art form. Also imo the best movies can function as inspiration for great music too

Lol no shit xp

(this is a dumb convo but) literature doesn't really have an aural component

All phonetic alphabets have an aural component, by definition. Even silent reading involves sound on some level, at least in the West.

As for the 'dumb convo' part, tell that to Lessing.

Being in a room with a 35 mm copy of Stalker is as artful an experience as any I've ever had.

ContrOp: 'Art' is a shitty word and concept anyway.

I felt something similar watching a torrented version of Stalker on my shitty TV. In the past people might have been intensely moved by listening to Rachmaninov piano concertos on a valve radio or whatever. I don't even know wtf I'm trying to say here!

pomenitul otm

shall we have concerts of music? The miserable state of mechanism of the majority of the performers, is so conspicuous, as to be, even at this day, a topic of mortification and ridicule. Will it not be practicable hereafter for one man to perform the whole? Shall we have theatrical exhibitions? This seems to include an absurd and vicious cooperation. It may be doubted, whether men will hereafter come forward in any mode, formally to repeat words and ideas that are not their own? It may be doubted, whether any musical performer will habitually execute the compositions of others? We yield supinely to the superior merit of our predecessors, because we are accustomeed to indulge the inactivity of our faculties. All formal repetition of other men’s ideas, seems to be a scheme for imprisoning, for so long a time, the operations of our own mind. It borders perhaps, in this respect, upon a breach of sincerity, which requires that we should give immediate utterance to every useful and valuable idea that occurs.

Is he trying to say that music is bare wank?

except free improv maybe

He'll do for me then!

Movies are a lesser art form compared to writing, painting, or music.

― grawlix (unperson), Sunday, April 8, 2018 2:43 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i feel like there are movies coming out now that kinda blow away most books i read, paintings i see, and music i hear.

― scott seward, Sunday, April 8, 2018 2:48 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Not me. Movies are basically a garbage art form, especially "art" films, festival bullshit, and Oscar bait.

― grawlix (unperson), Sunday, April 8, 2018 2:49 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Wow. Thread delivers. Struggling to think of something I disagree with more strongly itt

and yet we all choose to express ourselves in the printed word some of us read aloud instead of moving pictures on ilxor.com

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i blink my eyes silently with a grin and type this on my laptop

no point trying to tell someone "like this" if you don't but even if you hate movies in general, i can't imagine a reasonable argument for saying chaplin or welles or renoir are inferior to any sculptors or painters of the same era

i think if i ever met someone that expressed that sentiment IRL i would immediately say "i have to return some videotapes" and walk away

that's okay bc im seein chaucer perform in a bit anyway

Keaton > Laurel & Hardy > Lloyd > Chaplin
Sam Fuller > Orson Welles
Can't make a comparison for Renoir because I've never seen any of his movies

Renoir > Renoir

Ha, I saw a lot of Laurel & Hardy growing up. For some reason, they were really popular in India with people of my parents' age cohort or even a little younger. My parents were totally baffled when no one wanted to stay for an entire L&H movie at my eighth birthday party.

Movies are a lesser art form compared to writing, painting, or music.
― grawlix (unperson), Sunday, April 8, 2018 2:43 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is like saying Thanksgiving dinner is worse than turkey, stuffing, or mashed potatoes.

people have to realize things have been around longer than other things. there is a history to be aware of. videogames have been around for 30 or so years compared to books that have been around for thousands of years. this means there has been less time for people to make brilliant videogames than there has for them to make brilliant books. extrapolate from here to every medium.

the argument that one medium is better than the other is historically ignorant. we literally have no way of knowing, unless people were also making movies and tv series 5,000 years ago, which medium by itself produces the best work. it's entirely a subjective opinion so it doesn't really matter one way or the other.

Music reached its peak when Nixon was in the White House.

Music reached its peak when Nixon was in the White House.

Mainstream rock and pop, absolutely. 1969-75 were the golden years for rock.

ILM might be one of the few places where that is a controversial opinion.

(re: rock music; if you're talking about music as a whole, it gets a little dicier.)

This thread is only for posting controversial objective opinions.

Not for the first time, Fred, I'm not sure what you're getting at, but surely you can see why "1969-1975 were golden years for rock and roll" is a funny contribution to a thread for controversial opinions?

I'm making fun of this:

it's entirely a subjective opinion so it doesn't really matter one way or the other.

― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), 8. april 2018 23:55 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink