Rolling Maleness and Masculinity Discussion Thread

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CBGB and OVCRD

(literally)

male glance essay lost me when it implied BRAVE didn't suck. BRAVE was def not just another princess movie, but it did suck.

Yeah, Brave was a mess, if their heart was probably in the right place. They did better the next time around with Frozen, of course

Considered FPing you for that.

lol

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/apr/10/men-fail-equal-parents-achievements-suffer-severe-distress-divorce

what's going on here

i only read the headline but i can't figure it out either

there's a lot of awful and pathetic shit in the world, but i'm finding it hard to think of much that tops 'incels'

true

The more shit like incels and MGTOW and redpillers and MAGAs and flatearthers and 911 truthers and all that swell and swell and spill into the world, the more angry I get at the internet for being the fucking catalyst.

isn't it strange how a decade or so ago these types, despite having always existed, were very much a fringe concern, and now this nonsense is everywhere

it was seen as a novelty but the spinoffs consolidated on internet communities

the redpill people were pretty clearly descended from the pick-up artist/manosphere bullshit, and when a bunch of people figured out that actual humans were wise to those tactics or actually approaching people in the real world is difficult, they decided other people were to blame and stayed and home eating cheetos and getting bitter imo

if M want to GTOW or believe the earth is flat, well, that's silly but whatever

these incel shitheads' idea that they're owed sex (or that their shithead lives will somehow be transformed by having it!) is next-level tho

Well we used to laugh at that too ("you cant put coins in ladies and sex will come out" is one great phrase Ive seen around), until they started killing us :(

Those w/ less access to sex plausibly suffer simiarly to those with low income, & might similarly hope to organize to lobby for redistribution along this axis. Strikingly, I see little overlap between those concerned about income & sex inequality. https://t.co/8OL4IoMld1

— Robin Hanson (@robinhanson) April 26, 2018

good analogy

i don't get that pick up artist thing at all. like, I'm baffled by it. there are people who use magic to try to pull ladies? has this ever worked? wtf kind of bizarro world have I fallen into?

wtf crazy sauce is that blog post

income inequality doesn't disappear out of existence if you ignore it, what a fuckwad

just looking for some redistribution along this axis amirite

I had to look Robin Hanson because I was like, no fucking way a well adjusted woman would write this.

whoever that asshole is they really can't be pilloried enough for that take

His credentials make his hot take so much worse.

Just heard about Incels today. Took a long time to be convinced that it was a real organized movement. Very similar to how I still don't REALLY believe there are flat-earthers.

yeah sometimes I do wonder if the flatearther thing is mostly trolling. But not incels/mgtows.

I was ignorant of incels until mookie's post here.

I'm not gonna delve into incel world.

But for anyone who has delved--do incels masturbate? Fantasize? Use porn? Feel sexually aroused, think about it, feel it?

If so, they don't consider this a sex life?

there is a 'no fap' movement, not sure how large the convergence is between that and inceldom but of course there is a subreddit about it. at least no fap has shades of self help to it as opposed to the nihilism of incels?

ugh, it's friday night and i'm posting about this stuff, what am i doing. well at least there will probably be a MGTOW faction of the GOP in ten years so maybe i'm doing my civic duty here

lol shades of self help that's gold

can they get a ted talk going too

they literally think masturbation is ruining their life. hey, who knows??? maybe it is for them, i dunno

Instead of fapping, I went for a walk. Feels awesome to be alive! (i.redd.it)

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AFAICT the strictly r/nofap people are relatively innocuous but I'm sure there's some venn diagram type overlap

But for anyone who has delved--do incels masturbate? Fantasize? Use porn? Feel sexually aroused, think about it, feel it?

If so, they don't consider this a sex life?

― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Friday, April 27, 2018 9:36 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

(1) With rare exceptions, yes.

(2) They don't. I think they'd be aghast at the suggestion that this constitutes a sex life in any meaningful sense.

Damn dude one can fap and walk. Not at the same time imo, but really though. It’s not an either/or thing. These ppl.

I don't think there's very much incel/nofap crossover. Gotta keep your online neurotic male sexual frustration subcultures straight.

Pun intended, I guess.

seems like they ought to have debates with each other

I don't understand this thread anymore, but I'm confident I'll regret it if I do the research to understand it.

my take on incels: totally immature and insane assholes, but I really do think part of the issue is that they haven’t yet been liberated from a traditional model of masculinity, which prevents them from seeing women as humans

additionally there’s a big crossover with NEETs (stemming from various social economic and mental health factors) so they don’t have any life experience and understanding of how humans work and probably their full understanding of women is based on porn

a possible solution is to give these lads a life/integrate them into polite society to understand people, but understandably nobody in polite society would want anything to do with them

this TAL episode literally made me vomit, contains "no fap" information and lots of other vile stuff https://www.thisamericanlife.org/626/white-haze

if you are old enough to masturbate and don't see women as humans, retreat from society and come back when you are ready

if you are old enough to masturbate and don't see women as humans, retreat from society and come back when you are ready

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera)

they do retreat from society - to 4chan. it's not making them more ready.

i regretted writing that -- i just do not think being completely clueless is an excuse for dehumanizing half of people
the half that i am

incels and all of these people truly make me sick and i can't be rational about it. i have no sympathy.

(for them, that is -- i am generally a sympathetic person)

Sums up my own thoughts on incels and the like: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/26/mass-killer-toronto-attack-man-men

yeah that gary younge article is good. these guys are victims of patriarchal logic and other ppls disgust with them is part of the fuel for their spiral

the more you hate them the worse it gets

easy to say if they are not stalking, murdering, raping you
i have a right to find their behavior sickening. they can relearn how to be a person. i am not sure how much more sympathy i can find in my heart beyond that.

to be clear i do not hate anyone
hating is not something i do

i do find their beliefs and behavior sickening, as i mentioned above. i don't think i can deal with this -- i'm sorry for entering this conversation at all. i am going to excuse myself.

if MAGA persists are we gonna get a fed safety net for blue balls?

sorry if that came off harsh or personal, I recognise the self-perpetuating hate spiral that drives this and am frustrated by the awareness that disgust, however well-founded, won't make anything any better

i think this has to be addressed probably primarily by men who are able to offer some way of being/recognition outside of the suffocatingly reductive dangerous&doomed framework they've constructed for themselves