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neither applicable to the public sentiment that there are no bad beers

I encountered some skunky keg shit one time in high school that I couldn't deal with but otherwise beer is beer imo. I have yet to encounter one that parted clouds and prompted heavenly choirs to sing from on high.

Hoppy IPAs convinced me to re-start drinking occasional beers, that’s a flavor I’m just partial to, as a non-beer fan. First experience was insane hoppy, and I was “this is like biting into a bouquet of aromatic flowers.”

Aside from that drink as you will, it’s good.

I want to see a blind taste test where people must determine - after running a mile - whether the mystery drink is Natural Light or water.

when we say "water" do we mean a specific locale's tap water or some neutral sample we can agree upon

maybe we should use the local water from the Natural Light canning facility to be careful

There's nothing inherently wrong with 'speciesism'

it's right in the name

My should-not-be-controversial opinion is that the relative desirability of a given beer style is dependent not just on what it's being paired with but also on not terroir but climate - hoppy beers are especially popular in California and Colorado, etc. because they're well-suited to sunbaked and therefore at least moderately warm territory (the Indian climate in fact being the or a significant reason IPAs were developed as a heavily-hopped style - https://beerconnoisseur.com/articles/truth-about-origins-ipa), and you can extrapolate to other regions and preferences accordingly.

Beer is gross, don’t @ me.

Yeah, that probably explains my enjoyment of fruit beers.

how is Budweiser your "bad" beer here when the same company makes Busch Light and Natural Light, and has competitors like Milwaukee's Best

― mh, Monday, April 2, 2018 2:17 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Not to speak for anyone else, but it may be that they are willing to drink Budweiser and unwilling to drink the others. My favorite "bad" beer is probably Tecate (unless Dos Equis counts, which it probably does) or Lone Star, which probably says more about branding than I care to think about.

Beer is gross, don’t @ me.

― suzy, Monday, April 2, 2018 12:19 PM (sixteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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I always disliked how *serious* beer drinkers would disparage people who drank Miller Lite the same way a music snob would look down on someone who was into Dave Matthews or whatever. Like sometimes I'll offer something out of my fridge and list what I've got and the dude will be like "ughh, Bud Lite, no, anything but that". First of all, the beers mentioned here aren't bad - I was raised on Milwaukee's Best and Keystone, which to me were a step up from Lost Lake and something called Bud Dry - now THOSE are bad beers. This stuff doesn't taste great but whatever, it's fine. Secondly, light beer has its purpose. It's cheap and the ABV is low, which means you can pound them throughout an entire football game and not fall off your chair.

Yeah, any beer is actually decent if it's ice cold and you are thirsty. Moo is right ^^^ . Also a lot has to do with the local water (local ingredients). The tap is super minerally/hard where I am right now and if I try to drink something subtle or mineral forward, it tastes completely flabby.

lol the dry beer trend

the best beers for sitting around, drinking, and hanging out are the german beerhall ones, or the mexican beers that we get exported to the united states, which are mostly unadorned german/austrian styles

as far as Mexican beers go Pacifico and Victoria are the best. funny that Corona has such a stranglehold here, since it's pretty clearly the worst of them (IMO) and I've never actually seen anyone drink it in Mexico, outside of a resort where that's literally all there is

Oh weird. I never knew about this dry beer trend. Just looking at it now.

coors light is good not bad*

i've got a bundle of caveats to that, but ~going for extra controversial~

in terms of cheap us beers, sam adams lager is decent

but even that is too fancy for the bud light/miller lite/coors/old milwaukee/pbr/etc crowd

i like yuengling

Little Shop of Horrors is boring and nobody should do it ever again

Frogbs - totally feel that post. One time I was at my old job and telling my beer snob friend that I ran out of beer and bought coors from midnight express and he totally judged me and claimed he would have rather drank nothing.

Midnight express is a 24 hour liquor service btw

at this age i can't see myself using midnight express ever again, but that's not the real controp

the fact that you paid a premium for coors is

i am always fully stocked though -- bottles of whiskies, vodka, wine, beer

i hardly ever drink beer anymore but when i do i just want something really normal and refreshing. i love normal german beers or even something like red stripe. when i dj at the bar i get free pabst from the tap and its fine by me. i'm old and can't take heavy shit like i used to. especially american micro-crap that crams extra everything into their beer. i don't need extra hops or whatever. (i do like sour beers a lot. but they feel normal to me.) (i was never an IPA fan. was always kinda surprised that it became so huge as a style because most americans like their swill pretty bland. but americans do love getting wasted so it makes sense.)

(i did spend about 30 years drinking lots of heavy/insane beers so i did my time in the hops mines. i don't ever need to drink barleywine or belgian fury again. its probably best to stay away from that stuff when you become old and feeble. not good for old-timer digestion. i don't drink much at all anymore and when i do its usually just french/italian table wine. that's like water to me at this point.)

Part of me hates that rye whisky has grown in popularity, and I can no longer find Old Overholt for $12.

scott you are making it sound like you are 80 or something

The capacity to booze it up starts to diminish well before 80.

Belgian Fury sounds good, or is that what you call the old Stella, Scott?

i meant like, i dunno, delirium tremens or just stuff that knocked you down. i mean i loved that stuff. but now i wouldn't even think of buying it.

i enjoy the local mass monastery beers. Spencer. that's as strong as i get now.

i like light and fizzy liquids now. a friend of mine makes this stuff in town and i enjoy it. very light and refreshing ginger stuff.

http://gl.artbev.coop/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2017/04/Libations-for-Slider-430x400.jpg

"scott you are making it sound like you are 80 or something"

i am actually turning 80 this year. well, 50. but that feels like 80 to me.

"Free-range parenting" is bad

Yeah that Spencer trappist ale is great

i generally agree on free range parenting, but i have a small sample size. the free range parents i know never step in when a parent should step in, there's a very large middle ground between helicopter parenting and free range, there's a sweet spot in there you just have to find.

Sanpaku we were just discussing rye and even Old Overholt a couple days ago while drinking Horse’s Necks, and the conclusion was that it a bad situation for rye. (I dont know shit about rye myself but those friends ~care~ about that stuff).

~20 years ago, there were only 2 ryes on the market. OO and Anchor Old Potrero. There are now dozens, enough for online 10-best lists. We've lived through a rye renaissance.

Movies are a lesser art form compared to writing, painting, or music.

i feel like there are movies coming out now that kinda blow away most books i read, paintings i see, and music i hear.

Not me. Movies are basically a garbage art form, especially "art" films, festival bullshit, and Oscar bait.

stray dogs alone eats most fine art for breakfast. and that is just the tip of a very big international iceberg of awesome stuff.

https://criticsroundup.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/stray-dogs-2013-still3.jpg

xp

this is true but i don't feel it's especially contropy?

i can see "film buffs" getting offended but they're a minority

but i think movies are peak pop culture and pop culture = garbage culture

hollywood/mainstream stuff kinda blows right now. this i will grant you. but the great stuff has nothing to do with that.

i'm really down on painting these days. and museum art. art installations. sculpture. big piles of crap in galleries. i never see anything new that blows me away. i feel like everyone makes art now and there is just too much middling stuff. and all the really talented people are off making movies. art galleries/museums seem irrelevant to me. rich people stuff. networks of rich people/galleries/etc. auctions. fuck it.

There's tons of shitty art in the world, of course. But no movie I've ever seen compares to standing in the same room as a Richard Serra sculpture.

i can't really argue with you if you say you hate art movies or movies made artfully1
. they can be just as powerful as great music/writing/sculpture to me.

unperson otm

Arts that involve an aural component are invariably more moving than purely visual arts. Painting, architecture, sculpture, photography, drawing, etc. are all wonderful in their own right, but they've never ambushed me with sheer emotion the way music, literature and film have.

(this is a dumb convo but) literature doesn't really have an aural component

lots of great literature (prose, poetry) was first oral amigo