Sounds horrible
― flappy bird, Thursday, 29 March 2018 02:54 (six years ago) link
the ironic(?) thing is that MGOTW types are the most tolerable of the alt-right generally, since "going their own way" generally means leaving you the fuck alone
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 29 March 2018 03:09 (six years ago) link
Is it like some volcel offshoot or are they men going their own way who would also like women to go that way with them
― valorous wokelord (silby)
you motherfucker now i have lenny kravitz stuck in my head
― ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Thursday, 29 March 2018 03:13 (six years ago) link
Looks like it hasn’t been updated in a while but I remember laughing at this: https://sadmgtowapartments.tumblr.com/
― joygoat, Thursday, 29 March 2018 03:37 (six years ago) link
basically Peterson is the two ronnies circa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcMd1F1acSo
― papa don't take no meth (stevie), Thursday, 29 March 2018 06:48 (six years ago) link
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/380821-milo-yiannopoulos-charity-for-white-men-closes-with-questions#.Wr0Vuqa51VI.twitter
― I want to change my display name (dan m), Thursday, 29 March 2018 16:48 (six years ago) link
https://splinternews.com/the-fascist-right-is-bloodied-and-soiled-1824093337/amp?__twitter_impression=true
― Simon H., Friday, 30 March 2018 02:08 (six years ago) link
Looks like Wikileaks has tweeted out a DM by accident. pic.twitter.com/MVsTgqAdVY— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) March 30, 2018
― Frederik B, Saturday, 31 March 2018 14:26 (six years ago) link
jordon peterson
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― Google lobster hierarchies (Bananaman Begins), Saturday, 31 March 2018 14:41 (six years ago) link
I've been not online and not in Toronto for the last few days and it's been awesome to not see or hear about him at all
― Simon H., Saturday, 31 March 2018 14:42 (six years ago) link
Was reading someone I know talk about the way the alt-right target depression communities for recruitment and that those communities don't warn about this stuff nearly enough.
It doesn't surprise me but also news to me is that the folk music community has become particularly poisoned. Anyone witnessed this?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 31 March 2018 20:15 (six years ago) link
I haven't noticed, but I'm peripheral at best to the folk scene these days.
― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Saturday, 31 March 2018 20:51 (six years ago) link
more like volk scene amirite?
― bad left terf nut (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 31 March 2018 20:53 (six years ago) link
lol wait there's alt right folk music? Link please
― flappy bird, Sunday, 1 April 2018 00:38 (six years ago) link
It's probably just lots of these people hanging around the folk scene, not a separate thing.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 1 April 2018 00:46 (six years ago) link
so like different from the Death In June neofolk stuff that was alt right before there was an alt right?
― had (crüt), Sunday, 1 April 2018 00:49 (six years ago) link
https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/irony- new-white-supremacy/
Twitter and Facebook have unquestionably failed the left. The conviction that these companies are supposed to operate in the service of some ultimate humanitarian good reminds me now of the way certain techies fetishize Elon Musk’s plan to save humanity by moving to Mars. There, rather than succumbing to the planet’s toxic atmosphere and lack of natural resources, humans will somehow build a lasting, utopian society where we don’t repeat any of the same mistakes we’ve made here. It also calls to mind the reverence of futurist Ray Kurzweil, and his theory of an eventual human merger with machines that may make us all knowing and immortal. This future, which he calls the Singularity, is (much like the Rapture) always approaching but never quite here.I wonder if rather than looking to technology to fix us at some point in the future, it might not make sense to look at where it has brought us. I also wonder whether it might not be the work unlikely to make any kind of splash online — odd non-denominational chapels featuring priceless works of art, huge, un-Instagrammable protest murals, new classical music performances, and other work viewers have to engage with sincerely and in real life to experience — that we need most right now.In that same vein, what might it mean to gaze clear-eyed at the far-right agenda, admit that we are both frightened by it and ashamed of the role liberal complacency played in its rise, and start by building our weapons from there? Rather than denying what can’t be denied and minimizing what can’t be minimized, thus forfeiting the fight altogether? I’m not suggesting the left abandon cynicism, only that we stop affording it a weight it can’t carry under the current administration. Leaving kneejerk irony and the rewards it offers behind might be difficult at first. But it might also be worth it, if it means we get to take back the actual world, and build in it something new.
I wonder if rather than looking to technology to fix us at some point in the future, it might not make sense to look at where it has brought us. I also wonder whether it might not be the work unlikely to make any kind of splash online — odd non-denominational chapels featuring priceless works of art, huge, un-Instagrammable protest murals, new classical music performances, and other work viewers have to engage with sincerely and in real life to experience — that we need most right now.
In that same vein, what might it mean to gaze clear-eyed at the far-right agenda, admit that we are both frightened by it and ashamed of the role liberal complacency played in its rise, and start by building our weapons from there? Rather than denying what can’t be denied and minimizing what can’t be minimized, thus forfeiting the fight altogether? I’m not suggesting the left abandon cynicism, only that we stop affording it a weight it can’t carry under the current administration. Leaving kneejerk irony and the rewards it offers behind might be difficult at first. But it might also be worth it, if it means we get to take back the actual world, and build in it something new.
― j., Sunday, 1 April 2018 01:26 (six years ago) link
trying to fix that link: https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/irony-%e2%80%a8new-white-supremacy/
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 1 April 2018 03:19 (six years ago) link
Aw:
If a group’s only MO is destruction, it stands to reason that eventually it will destroy itself. What The New York Times calls the “alt-right” isn’t a monolith, but a swarm of tribes with different agendas, some of which radically oppose one another. Ultimately, it’s not difficult to imagine them all simply tearing each other apart as the entire movement implodes. Until that point, I wonder if we shouldn’t broaden our perspective. We should not only work on undermining the white supremacist agenda, but also the cultural environment that helped it thrive and grow in the first place. Irony was an integral part of that cultural environment. I wonder then if sincerity is the last radical act left. Perhaps it is time to say what we mean.
I like that essay. It's a bit rambling, and a bit self-serving in it's idea that Rothko Chapel and New Music will save us all, but it's nice.
― Frederik B, Sunday, 1 April 2018 11:10 (six years ago) link
finally somebody calls for the end of irony
― bad left terf nut (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 1 April 2018 11:14 (six years ago) link
The new new new new new new new new new new new new new new new new new new new sincerity
― scotti pruitti (wins), Sunday, 1 April 2018 11:18 (six years ago) link
the alt-right: alanis to blame?
― someone’s burgling my miscellanea (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 1 April 2018 11:43 (six years ago) link
What folk music community? And where?
― Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Sunday, 1 April 2018 11:52 (six years ago) link
Rod, Jane and Freddy seem quite sinister now when I think about it.
― calzino, Sunday, 1 April 2018 11:54 (six years ago) link
Rod, Jane and Friedrich morelike.
― Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Sunday, 1 April 2018 12:09 (six years ago) link
stunned to hear that the famously diverse and forward-looking folk music scene has been infiltrated by the alt-right
― someone’s burgling my miscellanea (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 1 April 2018 12:39 (six years ago) link
there will be Morris Dancers dancing on yr grave for such a vile slur!
― calzino, Sunday, 1 April 2018 12:44 (six years ago) link
Neofolk obvs has hard-right adherents but idk if that crosses over to mainstream folk music much.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Sunday, 1 April 2018 12:56 (six years ago) link
Tends to be full of lefties in my experience.
― Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Sunday, 1 April 2018 13:18 (six years ago) link
I don't know much about this folk thing, I should ask the person who was talking about it. Yes, this has always been going around the neo-folk scene but I imagine there's always been some of it in any genre that shows the past so lovingly or in various gothic genres (I love all this stuff. Unfortunately a lot of things I like have this fringe to them but maybe there's an extremist/toxic fringe to most things?). I was loving some neo-classical darkwave recently and realized that a lot of racists would probably love it too, hoping the band themselves aren't like that.
I was reading a book compilation of the Esoterra fanzine a few years ago, there was interviews with a lot of neo-folk, black metal, dark ambient, industrial etc, and the interviewer was regularly asking "are.....you racist?" in different words and the answers weren't always very reassuring.
A lot of people on the alt-right spectrum utterly loathe irony and are totally into sincerity.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 1 April 2018 13:20 (six years ago) link
It certainly doesn't fit with my experience of the trad folk scene.
― Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Sunday, 1 April 2018 13:26 (six years ago) link
Though that was before Shirley Collins et al started getting written about by the David Keenan/Wire cru.
― Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Sunday, 1 April 2018 13:30 (six years ago) link
There's nothing the alt-right loves more than a stridently sincere lefty they can troll, really.
Aside from that, irony is less a conscious stance and more sort've the historical dead-end that we've arrived at. A way out of it needs to be found but it can't be as simple as a "return to sincerity", that just ends up as cosplay imo.
― Daniel_Rf, Sunday, 1 April 2018 13:31 (six years ago) link
Tom, I'm guessing the "Folk" talk in here is probably more amongst the lines of Black Metal and/or semi-Indie types picking the genre up rather than anything traditional. There's a lot of obsession with Celtic roots amongst US white nationalists iirc, might tie into it.
― Daniel_Rf, Sunday, 1 April 2018 13:33 (six years ago) link
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-white-nationalist-troll-ricky-vaughn_us_5ac53167e4b09ef3b2432627?gr
― I want to change my display name (dan m), Thursday, 5 April 2018 21:40 (six years ago) link
Opening line of this review, which continues in entertaining fashion:
This is just the fucking worst.
https://johannesburgreviewofbooks.com/2018/04/04/richard-poplak-sets-jordan-b-petersons-house-in-order-a-scorching-review-of-12-rules-for-life/
― Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Friday, 6 April 2018 11:14 (six years ago) link
man dunking on peterson really never gets old huh
― star wars ep viii: the bay of porgs (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 6 April 2018 11:18 (six years ago) link
a proper and necessary dunking IMO
― Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Friday, 6 April 2018 11:21 (six years ago) link
I've been trying to avoid stuff about JP but I think that article told me everything I need to know, enjoyed reading that.
― obnoxious pun (ultros ultros-ghali), Friday, 6 April 2018 13:32 (six years ago) link
That's a well-written and highly entertaining take-down (definitely my favourite so far) but, as usual, it preaches to the choir. A friend of mine has been slowly sinking into JP-style archetypal clichés (regarding men and women in particular) over the past few years and I'm frankly at a loss as to how to get him to question his beliefs, especially since he is, at base, a highly intelligent and critical individual whose thinking skills are now wholly in the service of confirmation bias. I thought of sending him that link but am afraid that it would merely validate his worldview.
― pomenitul, Friday, 6 April 2018 15:26 (six years ago) link
I'm not sure how much it's worth to try and change someone actively rather than passively, leading by example and not via links.
i have a friend who has turned into a meme cartoonist who's probably a JP fan (or would immediately become one if he was made aware of his existence) and whose nouveau libertarianism certainly has started to quickly lean a bit right (especially w/r/t gun violence and the #metoo movement.) he's had some of his shit shared by alt-right types on social media. it's frustrating to see but i won't try to change his opinions, it's a pointless waste of energy afaict.
― omar little, Friday, 6 April 2018 16:36 (six years ago) link
The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi Nazi who has blown himself up in his kitchenhttps://www.mydaytondailynews.com/news/national/warrants-bomb-maker-killed-apartment-explosion-had-white-supremacist-bent/y6Y8rfDEIv5SC9zCbbkloL/
― valorous wokelord (silby), Saturday, 7 April 2018 01:39 (six years ago) link
https://usa.spectator.co.uk/2018/04/the-fall-of-milo-yiannopoulos/
― Number None, Saturday, 7 April 2018 13:55 (six years ago) link
Brilliant that Spectator piece, a classic of the 'Give em enough rope' genre. That bit about going back to traditional media at the end.. oh man.
― piscesx, Saturday, 7 April 2018 16:52 (six years ago) link
ugh. The part where he went on those radio shows - I had forgotten Anthony Cumia existed - was especially nauseating.
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:21 (six years ago) link
cumia is such a scumbag. and his podcast network hosts gavin mcinn3s’ garbage too. game recognize game i guess
― maura, Sunday, 8 April 2018 12:03 (six years ago) link
This article reads like it was written by an intern - and surprise, it was!
― grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 8 April 2018 17:25 (six years ago) link
lol
― maura, Monday, 9 April 2018 13:48 (six years ago) link
Anti-Abortion Leader Emerges As White Nationalist
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kristen-hatten-white-nationalist_us_5acd0d5be4b0259339de14f8?xi
― goole, Tuesday, 17 April 2018 19:18 (six years ago) link
shocked, shocked etc.
― valorous wokelord (silby), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 19:20 (six years ago) link