Is that from recently or awhile back?
― omar little, Wednesday, 28 March 2018 17:26 (six years ago) link
are you talking about the crazy days and nights post?
http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2018/03/blind-item-13-her-words.html
― maura, Wednesday, 28 March 2018 17:27 (six years ago) link
the thing is, with threads like that above, they're contaminated with either discredited stuff (people still using CDAN as a source despite their being debunked years ago) or outright conspiracy theory (people unironically bringing the Illuminati in)
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 17:28 (six years ago) link
https://nypost.com/2012/04/01/how-crazy-days-and-nights-fooled-hollywood/
sure, i mean there's literally a 'some of this stuff is fiction' disclaimer at the bottom of every page. anyway here's some more recent coverage
https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2016/10/crazy-days-and-nights-enty-interview
https://www.thedailybeast.com/whos-next-the-mysterious-blind-item-king-who-exposed-weinstein-spacey-and-lauer-before-the-media
― maura, Wednesday, 28 March 2018 17:31 (six years ago) link
Like, I'm saying, that if someone can successfully connect the dots from the last 20 years of Perez Hilton/TMZ "hahahaha Britney/Lindsay/Amanda is such a TRAINWRECK" to "Children who suffer from sexual abuse often have tumultuous adulthoods and also that abuse came from inside the industry" it might cause some amount of reflection on just what the fuck we've been doing
otm + corey haim :(
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 17:32 (six years ago) link
no I saw it somewhere else. but maybe it was fake, dunno. let's think about this though: either there has been a concerted effort for years to bring down dan schneider fueled by the internet and people who hate him; or he's a fucking creep. his work speaks for itself and certainly lends credence to the latter.
― akm, Wednesday, 28 March 2018 17:32 (six years ago) link
amanda bynes did tweet (then retract the tweets) about her dad being abusive, maybe that's what you're thinking of
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 17:33 (six years ago) link
like most gossip sites, CDAN gets things right sometimes. And the Post has been in the bag with publicists for years, so it's reasonable for wags and pimps to find useful tools to wage public battles over "truth" or "facts".
It was lore for a long time that they don't hold up because a) there wasn't much case law a couple of decades ago, b) it's still expensive for a company to sue, and c) enforceability/damages is more obvious in some industries than others. So, it's not that they don't "hold up" as much as most of the time, it's not worth it for a company to pursue it. If the damages are obvious however...
xp
― Milking the Soft Power Dividend (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 17:34 (six years ago) link
tbh I looked at that CDAN site once this week and most of the blind items are vague enough that they could apply to a handful of people
maybe there's a strong nostradamus/stopped clock effect thing going on
― mh, Wednesday, 28 March 2018 18:17 (six years ago) link
"This B list former child star recently got out of rehab, but her friends think she's headed back"
― mh, Wednesday, 28 March 2018 18:18 (six years ago) link
"I sense that you are worried about a loved one or relative whose name includes the letter... E"
― when worlds collide I'll see you again (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 18:49 (six years ago) link
An aside, but would be interesting to interview Michael Musto about the past year and blind items.
― ... (Eazy), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 19:59 (six years ago) link
Would love to know how he ever knows who is playing who
― Milking the Soft Power Dividend (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 20:03 (six years ago) link
the celeb gossip industry's been going for ~100 years now and are likely making more money off exploiting people than ever i dont see them stopping
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 22:17 (six years ago) link
I noticed in the UK some of that press has been adapting to the current climate with lots of "LOOK AT THIS RAPIST MONSTER"-type covers.
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 29 March 2018 09:43 (six years ago) link
profanity standards aside didnt Fatty Arbuckle get the same treatment in 1921?
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 29 March 2018 10:50 (six years ago) link
Like it may cause a fundamental rethinking of tabloid culture writ large
― Whiney G. Weingarten
peter thiel tried to warn us
― ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Thursday, 29 March 2018 11:56 (six years ago) link
profanity standards aside didnt Fatty Arbuckle get the same treatment in 1921?it's about time this thread had someone show up to argue that every accusation is false and part of a conspiracy, now we can really get down to brass tacks
― just noticed tears shaped like florida. (sic), Thursday, 29 March 2018 15:42 (six years ago) link
Is that what you are about to do?
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 29 March 2018 19:56 (six years ago) link
https://www.buzzfeed.com/arianelange/john-kricfalusi-ren-stimpy-underage-sexual-abuse
― mookieproof, Thursday, 29 March 2018 21:05 (six years ago) link
oh no :(
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 29 March 2018 21:10 (six years ago) link
ugh. it was 1994 but you don't have to bring back EVERYTHING from the seventies...
― Nhex, Thursday, 29 March 2018 21:55 (six years ago) link
damn it.
― how's life, Thursday, 29 March 2018 22:09 (six years ago) link
woah that is some fucked up and gross behaviour
― Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 29 March 2018 22:14 (six years ago) link
very gross. fuck that.
i couldn't stomach the new R&S but as the article makes clear, he continued to work with so many different people on big projects. now it's like this sickness intertwined into the culture. hopefully that will end.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 29 March 2018 22:19 (six years ago) link
"Call the police," indeed.
― how's life, Thursday, 29 March 2018 22:22 (six years ago) link
that's a terrible story but this line:"Creators of shows including SpongeBob SquarePants, Adventure Time, and Rick and Morty have cited Ren & Stimpy as an influence" well, yeah, duh. I mean, would they deny that this was influential? I'm not saying 'separate the art from the artist' but it's like saying Woody Allen hasn't been influential. doesn't make him not a fucking creep.
― akm, Friday, 30 March 2018 03:14 (six years ago) link
it provides context for the many people who may be unfamiliar with a 25-year-old cult cartoon
― mookieproof, Friday, 30 March 2018 03:33 (six years ago) link
And I don't think anyone, the creators or the author, were trying to make him any less of a creep.
― nickn, Friday, 30 March 2018 03:36 (six years ago) link
his fame has to mentioned as part of explaining why he was able to get away with it in several instances and for so long; he is genuinely beloved by many animators and animation fans for his work.
― Nhex, Friday, 30 March 2018 04:27 (six years ago) link
the many people who may be unfamiliar with a 25-year-old cult cartoon
the new Micky Mouse cartoon is 100% a R&S ripoff. and as mentioned in the article, he recently did animation work for Weird Al and design work for Miley Cyrus. he was still getting work.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 30 March 2018 13:15 (six years ago) link
Don’t forget the Bjork video!
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 30 March 2018 14:17 (six years ago) link
that one... not so recent
― mh, Friday, 30 March 2018 14:28 (six years ago) link
sorry, i was just caught up in naming John K stuff :(
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 30 March 2018 14:31 (six years ago) link
sad sean penn story about his sad book and sad #metoo poem that he included in his book. someone put him on an island somewhere.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sean-penn-bob-honey-who-just-do-stuff-review_us_5ab9a1bee4b008c9e5fa89a2
― scott seward, Friday, 30 March 2018 15:16 (six years ago) link
sorry if already linked to. you probably don't even need to look at it to be honest.
― scott seward, Friday, 30 March 2018 15:17 (six years ago) link
he was still getting work.The Weird Al video was 12 years ago.
― just noticed tears shaped like florida. (sic), Friday, 30 March 2018 16:29 (six years ago) link
the Bangerz tour wasn't
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 30 March 2018 16:38 (six years ago) link
His output has slowed down, but he enjoys a living-legend stature that prompted 3,562 people to fund a Kickstarter campaign for his short Cans Without Labels, which he screened at a prestigious animation film festival in 2016. He made art for Miley Cyrus’s 2014 Bangerz tour; he animated two credit sequences on The Simpsons, the most recent in 2015. His portrait still hangs on the wall at Nickelodeon.
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 30 March 2018 16:39 (six years ago) link
The article just came out yesterday.
― how's life, Friday, 30 March 2018 17:08 (six years ago) link
this is a weird thing to argue about
lots of people have made art for pop stars and have 3500 kickstarter supporters; this guy is famous for a cable tv show made a quarter of a century ago. the article, as it should, provided context for why he is more notable than a garden-variety pedo asshole. not everyone who reads buzzfeed is an animation nerd like (apparently) ilxors
― mookieproof, Friday, 30 March 2018 17:25 (six years ago) link
i mean, that is also, literally, how you write articles
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 30 March 2018 17:26 (six years ago) link
personally i learned a lot about the concept of time
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 30 March 2018 17:32 (six years ago) link
if he was most productive when being a sexual predator, the slowdown in productivity is probably not so bad. kind of guessing he won't be getting much work anytime soon
― mh, Friday, 30 March 2018 17:37 (six years ago) link
All the sentences in the Buzzfeed article about the cartoons he's influenced and the work he gets all seemed pretty value-neutral to me
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 30 March 2018 17:48 (six years ago) link
I guess the word "still" is confusing, but I assumed it meant "still there after making money for them, like, a quarter century ago" vs "still there despite being the open secret that he's a creep"
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 30 March 2018 17:51 (six years ago) link
*despite the
yeah, I'm not quite sure what the argument here is. of course someone whose peak was in the '90s is going to have a slower rate of creative output in the 2010s, that doesn't make the actual story any less horrifying
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 30 March 2018 18:02 (six years ago) link
Sorry, I had misinterpreted the line of conversation to mean that "John K was still getting work despite the open secret that he's a creep" with an accusatory eye towards Weird Al and Miley. To which I responded about the article coming out yesterday as if to say "yeah, but how open of a secret was it? do you really think Miley Cyrus is keeping up with cartoon-industry gossip from 15 years ago?" I realize that I was mistaken and am sorry, but brad's comment made me lol at my desk, so I guess it was worth it.
― how's life, Friday, 30 March 2018 18:15 (six years ago) link