the alt-right

Yeah, but that's the wrong way around, there's definitely games, such as those on katherine's list, but those would be played by about 0.1% of kids, or even of 'Gamers'. I'm definitely not saying there's not a toxic culture in places, but it's not actually coming from the games as cultural objects.

it's not coming from the games as cultural objects but there is a significant overlap between games communities/forums/etc and alt-right spaces. just like if you get really into certain fandoms you are probably going to encounter Tumblr/former Livejournal users at some point, the further you become a "fan" of games the more likely you are to come into contact with these people

(plus, with AAA games at least, there are so many people involved in so many often tiny roles that "coming from the games as cultural objects" is a steep ask)

yeah the emergence of the gamer identity is the most suspect thing imo, it's inherently defensive and ofc there has been proliferation of anti-SJW type memes and discourse among this crowd, but the overall percentage of gamers involved in these communities is small bc gaming is so fkn huge (>40% of americans, 17% globally, only going to go up (I'm sure you cld make a case for the popularisation of gaming as being one of the drivers of the gamer identity as a reactionary purist subgroup))

with the caveat that I haven't read all that much about it, the discourse around this game seems to stink more than the game itself: http://robertwguthrie.com/whats-racist-about-telling-the-truth-when-historical-accuracy-is-used-to-deny-agency/

Aye, I'm agreeing that it's a steep ask. But not entirely with the previous post - the 'certain fandoms' definitely includes games fandoms too.

in my experience it's different games. there's some overlap, but the overlap tends to be the games that are so big they're practically monolithic -- something like overwatch or pubg for instance

Oh yeah, kingdom come is disgusting. I’ll try to find another good article I read about it.

semi-related

This map of where fights start on Reddit (via @PulsarPlatform) reminds me, appropriately, of a large angry rash. pic.twitter.com/7azcxqokeI

— Tom Ewing (@tomewing) March 27, 2018

(oh duh it was on the casual racism / sexism thread on ILG)

i wanted to finally see what all the fuss was about so i listened to about 45 minutes of a joe rogan podcast w/ jordan peterson and i was struck by 1) how profoundly stupid and intellectually lazy peterson can be; 2) how ignorant dudes like rogan are about what college and universities are actually like; 3) how there is nothing remotely novel about peterson's ideas, they are the same conservative anti-PC trash that has been spouted for decades

with a splash of warmed-over Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance I guess?

i'm assuming that when that map is extended to more dimensions the movies/pornography loop gets closed

like i've been feeling a little frustrated myself by the twitter environments i'm in and the extremism and mob culture of some identity politics stuff so i thought hey maybe this person has something intelligent to say but nope it is the same fucking garbage and ignorance

i've worked at five different colleges and universities over the past twelve years, and have attended two others at a student. how rogan and peterson were talking about them in terms of angry mobs pounding on faculty doors w/ demands to acknowledge 70 different gender pronouns and shit is so far from any reality i've seen. that reddit post from a philosophy professor mentioned how his colleagues' "research is generally very boring and unobjectionable" and that is so otm, universities really are these pretty calm and boring places with lots of boring administrative shit happening, faculty meetings w/ information from the sponsored research office, grant applications, bla bla bla it is not that salacious or violent. rogan hasn't been involved w/ any institute of higher ed since he attended college but jfc christ peterson as a professor has no excuse

btw salacious is the wrong word there i think i meant something like sensational lol

m bison's post upthread is just so heartening, thank you

what do you teach? (or was that during extracurricular stuff?)

angry mobs pounding on faculty doors

this did literally happen at the evergreen state college last year, I assume he’s still harping on/extrapolating from that

(not trying to contradict yr larger point, just noting)

Re: video games and angry young men shooters, Dylan Roof was reportedly obsessed with Dance Dance Revolution and the dude from Virgina Tech was remarkable for _not_ playing games

On a very related note, the review embargo on Far Cry 5, a game seemingly to deal with alt-right militia types is up, and the reviews aren’t pretty.

'Far Cry 5' tried to avoid being a game about politics and far right extremism. Instead, it became a perfect celebration of American nationalist violence. My latest: https://t.co/o572bgT1k0

— Jack Smith IV (@JackSmithIV) March 27, 2018

It looked at first as though the game would be a referendum on far right extremism. Instead, the writing waffles, politically. @austin_walker has the most clearly articulated article about this over at Waypoint: pic.twitter.com/PTk743GJgs

— Jack Smith IV (@JackSmithIV) March 27, 2018

what do you teach? (or was that during extracurricular stuff?)

― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:09 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i teach government/economics, US history (that's when this most recent convo took place), and academic decathlon/speech and debate.

m bison's post upthread is just so heartening, thank you

― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, March 27, 2018 12:27 PM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

<3

ah, ok. wonder how possible it would be to have that conversation in, say, a math course. probably not sadly :/

i had that conversation when i taught math, too. im not up at the front lecturing all day, so i circulate while they're working on stuff and we chat.

http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2018/03/27/alt-right-erupts-after-crying-nazi-christopher-cantwell-admits-hes-a-federal-informant/

work wont let me click thru on that -- salient deets?

Cantwell claims he's helping the Feds to hunt down the *real* criminals (ie, the left), Weev has strenously said otherwise on Gab, and generally horrible people continue to act horribly.

they're all still enormous assholes xp

i.e. another example of literally everything they say being projection, in this case "the left is full of infighting!"

katherine otm

I guess I'm not seeing the problem here.

Women: if you usurp men they will rebel and fail and you will have to jail or enslave them.

— Jordan B Peterson (@jordanbpeterson) December 17, 2016

Sounds fine

That “we’re taking our toys and going home” theme is central to redpill. I just recently learned what the acronym “MGTOW” stands for and it’s both hilarious and sad.

Yeah that particular sub movement is p fascinating

That “we’re taking our toys and going home” theme is central to redpill. I just recently learned what the acronym “MGTOW” stands for and it’s both hilarious and sad.

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive)

makes me think of buckingham/nicks every time i hear it

What does that stand for

The acronym

men (can) go their own wayyyyyyy
GO THEIR OWN WAYYYYYY
you can call it another lonely guyyy

It’s supposed to be some kind of male rebellion against the horror show of modern marriage and divorce but it’s largely just “I’m wounded so I’m not going to play” under the surface.

Is it like some volcel offshoot or are they men going their own way who would also like women to go that way with them

Sounds horrible

the ironic(?) thing is that MGOTW types are the most tolerable of the alt-right generally, since "going their own way" generally means leaving you the fuck alone

Is it like some volcel offshoot or are they men going their own way who would also like women to go that way with them

― valorous wokelord (silby)

you motherfucker now i have lenny kravitz stuck in my head

Looks like it hasn’t been updated in a while but I remember laughing at this:
https://sadmgtowapartments.tumblr.com/

basically Peterson is the two ronnies circa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcMd1F1acSo

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/380821-milo-yiannopoulos-charity-for-white-men-closes-with-questions#.Wr0Vuqa51VI.twitter

https://splinternews.com/the-fascist-right-is-bloodied-and-soiled-1824093337/amp?__twitter_impression=true

Looks like Wikileaks has tweeted out a DM by accident. pic.twitter.com/MVsTgqAdVY

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) March 30, 2018

jordon peterson

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I've been not online and not in Toronto for the last few days and it's been awesome to not see or hear about him at all