Match of the Day vs The Premiership

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Yes.

Are you saying Matt Smith is gay? I doubt it.

What I will miss: The Premiership on Monday.

Perhaps I have not yet made that clear.

the bellefox, Thursday, 13 May 2004 12:15 (twenty-two years ago)

the last premiership ...

no more Andy Townsend ! YES

DJ Martian (djmartian), Saturday, 15 May 2004 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I liked Desmond's sign-off, on Sunday morning.

the bellefox, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:09 (twenty-two years ago)

didn't Townsend appear as a pundit on the BBC first?

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:12 (twenty-two years ago)

stevem,

Are those five teams promoted via the play offs just since the start of the premiership? or does it include the old 2nd div play off's? Because if it is just since the start of the premiership I would say that five teams is a really high number.

Davel (Davel), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:15 (twenty-two years ago)

no, premiership only - Blackburn, Ipswich, Leicester, Bolton, Birmingham i think

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I will miss absolutely sweet fuck all about ITV. I hate the channel anyway, and their football more so. I was mightly disappointed that there was no sign off on Saturday.

The PoM - words cannot express how much I despise this show. Truly truly truly. The same sort of cockfarmers who work in football marketing infest this utter shower of shite. Champagne moment? Fact of Fiction? WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK? They had this idea that if they thought it was good for a laugh on set, it would be in real life in TV land. This is not true, because they are meejar cunts.

The idea was tactics talk like its down the pub. It is wrong on several levels - down the pub chat is usually shite - that is the point. I want analysis that shows me things I couldn't see. I want straight down the line authoritative - BBC at its best does these things. I fear that MOTD's team are usually so giddy to be back to together that they get all silly. Also, it wasn't realistic, as a player would have said 'fuck tactics - look at the tits on her'.

PS - employ Steve Claridge. Very perceptive on 5Live. Unlike Carlton Palmer.

PPS -Matt Smith's look to camera made me want to kick my screen in. Everytime I try to type what it is about him that irks me so, I end up like a Tasmanian Devil whirling around in madness.

Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:40 (twenty-two years ago)

it never reached the height of Ron's threat to chin Andy Townsend.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

never again, even

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

In general I don't really agree with Boyle here - yet there is sense in much of what he says. I think that the big BBC problem is new pundits: Wright, Dixon, Smeichel et al - who are no patch on the old.

the bluefox, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

A big fat NO to Steve Claridge. I cannot stand the man.
I am genuinely surprised the beeb haven't given him the elbow.

Forgive Stan Collymore his dogging exploits and get him back in the co-commentators seat.

de, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Lets not be scacred. 1st motd back will be the best motd I have ever seen. Linakar inscrutible, Hanson perceptive, everyone taking the piss out of Lawro . . . it'll be grate.

Johnney B (Johnney B), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Hammers in the Premiership.

Please.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 15:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Peacock could be a regular BBC pundit. Schmeichel is a bit annoying. I like Lawro more and more tho.

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Lawro is great yeah. He's good on Five live on a Friday afternoon too

chris (chris), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 15:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Schmeicel's incredibly annoying. Red faced arrogant condescending twat.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 15:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Dave B OTM about ITV, apart from the occasional South Bank show and the Champions league I doubt that I'll have any need to watch it again.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 15:22 (twenty-two years ago)

With the move to BBC, maybe I will get to see more than 30 seconds of a Manchester City game when it isn't against Manchester United, Arsenal or Chelsea.

Which is more than the bloody Premiership ever did.

___ (___), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I liked it when the panel had to name some Portuguese people and Big Ron said The Lion King.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 15:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I miss Barry Venison.

de, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 16:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Peacock is wonderful because Peacock is not of the 'club'. So he sits there with his inscrutable grin on his face and the rest all shuffle uncomfortably in presence of sexy newcomer with quality shirt and tidy facial hair.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 16:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Missed the question above -the League is called the FA Premier League, but brands itself the Premiership. I think is because it wants to get away from the FA bit of the Premier League and thinks FA Premier League is too long winded - the Carling FA Premier League offers less brandability than the Carling Premiership etc.

Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 17:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Battle of London 2004 !

Eagles Vs Hammers - for a place in the Priemership [and on MOTD]

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 19:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Couldn't agree more with Willem Bloody S about Gavin Peacock. The man is a refreshing change from the insufferable clubby but manly northern pre-Premiership banter of Lawro, Hansen, Schmuck, Wrighty, Reidy and Wrongy.

darren (darren), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Though it beats the pants of Andy Townsend telling us ignoramuses that "That Michael Owen - he's quick !" et al, and the Manuliverarsenal hegemony on coverage (and angle - it was always 'how did they lose', never how did Bolton or whoever win) for the first 75 minutes.

darren (darren), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Is anyone in London watching the UEFA Cup final tonight?

the bluefox, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 11:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I might be up for this

Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 11:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Ooh: where? How about St Martin's Lane? Bloomsbury? Any good?

the bluefox, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 12:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Strange to see Schmeichel and Wright on the same programme. Have they made up and forgotten about when Wright accused Schmeichel of racially abusing him?

Joe Kay (feethurt), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 13:42 (twenty-two years ago)

i wondered about that too. i figure Schmeichel apologised before the BBC approached him.

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 13:43 (twenty-two years ago)

They must have crossed paths when Schmeichel played for his son's team for a season.

Japanese Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:07 (twenty-two years ago)

three months pass...
I think we are now in a position to begin making a new comparison.

I wonder whether ITV's show might become venerated in its absence?

I guess that will mainly depend on how much use the BBC make of Wright, Dixon, Adams, Winterburn, Schmeichel, and any other pundit I don't like.

I worry that they are on the verge of tossing their golden legacy down a storm drain.

the bellefox, Sunday, 22 August 2004 12:01 (twenty-one years ago)

But I am getting ahead of myself: the first episodes, I mean, editions, have not been bad at all. Even the loss of picture last week was OK cos of how Gary responded with humour.

the bellefox, Sunday, 22 August 2004 12:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Lineker may be getting too smug about it all. In a TS between Lineker and Lynam, would people pick Gary? Hansen vs Big Ron? Peacock vs Allen? Pierce vs Tyldesley? The only way in which I think MOTD comprehensively beats ITV's Premiership show is with the theme tune.

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Sunday, 22 August 2004 13:22 (twenty-one years ago)

The only way in which I think MOTD comprehensively beats ITV's Premiership show is with the theme tune.

Not with its coverage of the actual games? More of it and far less bias towards the big three. And TONY GUBBA!

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 22 August 2004 13:28 (twenty-one years ago)

The coverage is the big, big improvement. I think I am getting to like Lineker more than Lyman, especially Lyman nowadays. Big Ron was entertaining, but I think Hansen is the best pundit on either channel for insight. I could do without Schmeichel, but I don't share the Pinefox's antipathy to Arsenal, of course. This doesn't mean that I want more Lee Dixon, obv.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 22 August 2004 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Jonathan Pearce last night became the first commentator I had to mute because I just couldn't fucking stand him anymore. The Beeb have much better depth though - definitely take fair coverage of every game over everyone other than the big three being summarised by Angus frigging Scott.

And Peacock over Allen eight days a week.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Sunday, 22 August 2004 13:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Hansen is the best pundit on either channel for insight

He used to be, sure. Anmy recent examples, tho'? I get the feeling he's coasting these days, repeats himself a hell of a lot.

zebedee (zebedee), Sunday, 22 August 2004 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I liked his "Kick the ball now. Kick the ball now. Kick it now. Kick it now." bit last night. Palace really do need a new keeper.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Sunday, 22 August 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Lynam hasn't been worth a damn since he started believing his own hype circa 96.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 22 August 2004 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)

i've forgotten who the third team is in The Big Three. things like broader coverage are only a direct response to criticism of The Premiership tho aren't they? As in BBC used to prioritise the bigger clubs themselves. I like BBC stats fever tho.

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Sunday, 22 August 2004 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Can I say one word:
ADVERTS

= more football - one and half hours of football versus Coke idents, Townsend prattling and Lynam phoning in his performance. he was like Brezhnev in his later days - it could have been a hologram of any Des perfroamnce since 1998 and you couldn't tell.

ITV are shite at football - always have been. I refer anyone to the idea that anyone would listen to a 7" single of their 1986 World Cup theme tune, then use it as their normal theme tune for the next 4 years, regardless of the non-mexican flavour of Sunday 1st division football from Villa park. Cockfarmers, who also started the Premeirship off (Cheers Greg Dyke!) and who by only shoing 'the big five' ensured that those self-same five becamse even more self-important and agressive. So fuck ITV and dig up the founders of it and fuck them too.

MOTD also ahs more match action from all games, which the Premiershite couldn't do. All in all - I have actually made my saturday's fit around seenig MOTD which I never did under the Premiership because it was just rubbish.

Pinefox only asks this because of Matt Smith luv - have you seen him on that stoopid ptrolhead show PF? His matey askance looks and 'I'm just like you viewer only I get to compere these wankers talk shite' really fell on its bum.

Dave B (daveb), Sunday, 22 August 2004 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

As in BBC used to prioritise the bigger clubs themselves.

I don't believe this to be true. Perhaps it's a false memory but I don't recall late '90s/early '00s MOTD to be purely the Arse and the Manch (and the Chelse).

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 22 August 2004 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

i didn't actually watch The Premiership much, preferring to wait for Goals On Sunday on Sky Sports the next day, so I was used to and didn't mind the adverts so much. Kudos tho Dave, for you have argued MOTD's superiority with the aplomb of Junior Agogo.

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Sunday, 22 August 2004 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Einstein Agogo in my case.

Dave B (daveb), Sunday, 22 August 2004 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

MOTD used to select three games in advance, and show only brief highlights from the rest. There were regular complaints that Man U/Liverpool featured in their main games far more often than Leicester/Southampton, say. I don't think they were as unbalanced as ITV, though.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 22 August 2004 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

As a neutral I think I'd rather watch the better teams anyway, but I recognise the logic of being more balanced in coverage, because of course the better teams won't always be in the better games.

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Sunday, 22 August 2004 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I like that they have highlights of the Sunday matches. I would kinda prefer to have two main matches (just as long as it wasn't arse, man u or chelsea every week) and then just the goals from the other matches.

I thought they should have analysed Atouba's goal a bit more, and they should have made a catty comment about Carr.

jel -- (jel), Sunday, 22 August 2004 18:36 (twenty-one years ago)

'the better teams'

the ballfox, Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Steady Mike is spot on that coverage is better ie. less big 3 bias, more footage from bigger variety - this has to be the big factor.

Good point that Hansen may be relying on reputation. Look how far back in his chair he slumps!

I think Boyle wants to get in the ring. But with whom?

My comments had little to do with Matt Smith, who never presented the Saturday night Premiership anyway. But it's true, he may have swayed me a little ITV's way.

Allen over Peacock - 6 days a week will do me. He can rest on the 7th.

the bellefox, Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)


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