― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:49 (eighteen years ago) link
No, it was released in 2005. This poll only covers 2000-04.
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:54 (eighteen years ago) link
btw. Just saying, cause I think the names under which they were released might have varied between the US and the UK.
― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 15 December 2005 15:01 (eighteen years ago) link
I should've posted to the fuckin' nominations thread. I can't believe I'm the only one who gives a shit about Black Hawk Down or Brotherhood of the Wolf. What is the matter with people?
― TOMBOT, Thursday, 15 December 2005 15:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― TOMBOT, Thursday, 15 December 2005 15:29 (eighteen years ago) link
Ocean's 11, sweet Jesus. Come to some non-Hitler furrin films with me this weekend, hon!
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 December 2005 15:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 15:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 15:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 December 2005 16:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Thursday, 15 December 2005 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― TOMBOT, Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:18 (eighteen years ago) link
Well, he did include two of them in the film, didn't he? Though maybe the problem is that he didn't treat them as representatives of a minority rather than characters in story, whose ethnicity has no relevance, only their personality, which is why people don't think of the as "ethnic". Which I think should be seen as a positive thing.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― zzzz, Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:37 (eighteen years ago) link
(x-post)
Race does matter in France, but should race matter in every French movie, even in such a non-realist flick as Amélie?
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― zzzzzz, Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― zzzzzz, Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― zzzzzzz, Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:46 (eighteen years ago) link
I also didn't nominate L'Esquive, one of my fave films that debuted in NYC this year, about Muslim kids in a Paris project (won a buncha Cesars):
http://www.slantmagazine.com/film/film_review.asp?ID=1506
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link
Or maybe not if, like me, you think that's a gross exaggeration.
― hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― zzzzzz, Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:55 (eighteen years ago) link
What are the correct terms, then? I guess the two characters in Amélie could be described as North African, but in the film's world they're quite French and their ethnicity is never discussed. I put "ethnic" in quotes because it is often used as a shorthand for "non-white", even though white people are obviously "ethnic" as well.
Of course terms like "white", "black" and "race" are problematic too, since there's no essential grounds for their usage - they can't be avoided, however, as long as people are being classified according to them.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:56 (eighteen years ago) link
Good job in mixing my point with a totally different discussion to make it sound suspicious.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― zzzzzzzz, Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― zzzzzzz, Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― 'Twan (miccio), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― zzzzzz, Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― zzzzzz, Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:05 (eighteen years ago) link
Granted, there isn't an in-depth discourse on the nature of race and nationalist hegemony running through Amelie, but since its a slightly twee, nostalgic love story (of sorts) that's not too surprising. My main problem with what you're saying is that you could aim that claim at SO MANY films - most Hollywood love stories, for example. If your sole objection is lack of non-white characters, why select this film in particular?
Also, in your point above, you seem to be suggesting that all characters who are not white should have storylines that make a point of this. Surely this would be a step backwards?
― hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:06 (eighteen years ago) link
handy guide to republican talking points - ethnicity has no relevance, only their personality, which is why people don't think of the as "ethnic". Which I think should be seen as a positive thing.
In this fucking film, not neceessarily in every film, or in general!!! This is getting tedious, I'm off.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link
x-post to ethan
― 'Twan (miccio), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link
x-post i'm saying that evidently the racism of the film requires knowledge of more than some Louis Malle.
― 'Twan (miccio), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― 'Twan (miccio), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link
Do you think the Socialist mayor running Paris is particularly racist? I'm sure there are worse options.
I don't think Paris is an outrageously racist place, at least no more than the rest of the world. I saw more overt racism in, say New York. And far more in Florida.
― hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― Lovelace (Lovelace), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― Lovelace (Lovelace), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― 'Twan (miccio), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― 'Twan (miccio), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:27 (eighteen years ago) link
1. 25th Hour (Lee, 2002)2. Mulholland Dr. (Lynch, 2001)3. Before Sunset (Linklater, 2004)4. Morvern Callar (Ramsay, 2002)5. Twilight Samurai (Yamada, 2002)6. Jackass: The Movie (Tremaine, 2002)7. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (Gondry, 2004)8. Dirty Pretty Things (Frears, 2002)9. crazy/beautiful (Stockwell, 2001)10. City Of God (Meirelles, Lund, 2002)11. Gosford Park (Altman, 2002)12. Kill Bill: Vol. 1 (Tarantino, 2003)13. The Good Thief (Jordan, 2002)14. Wonder Boys (Hanson, 2000)15. Traffic (Soderbergh, 2000)
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:31 (eighteen years ago) link