you get so into the street and its world and characters and then you are lurched out and taken into the world of these dumb fucking longshoremen
― Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, March 20, 2018 2:52 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm
― flopson, Thursday, 22 March 2018 06:11 (six years ago) link
s1 is great, whenever I think of it I always picture avon startling daniels wagging that finger as he glides past, one of the best wire moments
― ogmor, Thursday, 22 March 2018 09:09 (six years ago) link
xxpost Yeah, I've been surprised to realize that Ziggy actor is Ziggy actor when I've seen him in other things.
― The Secret Ingrediant is Love (Old Lunch), Thursday, 22 March 2018 12:20 (six years ago) link
especially the whole subplot with the stupud fuckin stained glass window
It's not just a subplot, it's how it all gets rolling!
― Simon H., Thursday, 22 March 2018 12:59 (six years ago) link
It also sticks with me as a wholly believable catalyst for police/political action. A huge criminal investigation is initiated not by any true interest in justice but because a police commissioner is feeling butthurt over a petty rivalry.
― The Secret Ingrediant is Love (Old Lunch), Thursday, 22 March 2018 13:06 (six years ago) link
^^ lol i was thinking exactly this yesterday (just finished up s2 e2)
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 22 March 2018 13:08 (six years ago) link
I can see where a petty rivalry starts to snowball, but over that?
― pplains, Thursday, 22 March 2018 13:47 (six years ago) link
are you doing a full rewatch brad?
― Simon H., Thursday, 22 March 2018 13:48 (six years ago) link
xpdon't see why it couldn't be even more trivial. I don't doubt that police commissioners have abused their power for pettier reasons irl
― tsrobodo, Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:06 (six years ago) link
I don't get the chafing over S2's attention on the stevedores -- doesn't the show set up a parallel between them and the streets? At the very least, they're pretty funny.
― #FIERCE #FLAWLESS #SLAY (Leee), Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:29 (six years ago) link
― Simon H., Thursday, March 22, 2018 6:48 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yep! i'm doing it with someone who's never seen the series before so it's gonna take a while
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:41 (six years ago) link
yeah I did that a few years back with my roommate. the second viewing is a blast.
― Simon H., Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:44 (six years ago) link
it's interesting, imo there's a learning curve with season one that, at least for me, is *always there*. i rewatch the first 2-3 episodes and i'm like "i know this is great, i'm aware of it being great in the fragments of narrative and context that it's gradually trying to weave together into a more centralized story, but don't feel anything pulling me into what's happening yet." i don't mean to overstate its particular excellence on this front but it's at first alienating then deeply refreshing to watch a television show that doesn't really give a shit about my expectations as a viewer
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:55 (six years ago) link
and the way it does satisfy my expectations as a viewer is largely oblique! occasionally the dialogue gets very transparent about the themes traveling through the structure of the whole series and that's as basic as it gets. but the way the individual stories braid together and then scatter and then braid together again... idk, it's awesome. i guess all of these ideas are pretty pedestrian and are probably embedded throughout this thread multiple times already but: what i love about this series is you get what you put into it. it's great art.
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:59 (six years ago) link
i rewatch the first 2-3 episodes and i'm like "i know this is great, i'm aware of it being great in the fragments of narrative and context that it's gradually trying to weave together into a more centralized story, but don't feel anything pulling me into what's happening yet."
They're the opening chapters of a novelistic story, so the metrics of evaluating individual episodes of an otherwise serialized narrative shouldn't apply IMO.
― zig zag ziggurat (Leee), Thursday, 22 March 2018 19:36 (six years ago) link
that's completely right! it's exactly like the learning curve of any novel you're trying to get into
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 22 March 2018 19:41 (six years ago) link
and also, so much more interesting than the "this is actually just a very long movie" taken by so many series/producers now
― Simon H., Thursday, 22 March 2018 19:43 (six years ago) link
favorite moment of S5 is Gus doing voiceover of Carcetti firing Burrell - "he feared and hated me, I merely wanted him dead"
― louise ck (milo z), Thursday, 22 March 2018 19:50 (six years ago) link
lmao
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 22 March 2018 20:01 (six years ago) link
tweedy impertinence
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 23 March 2018 23:05 (six years ago) link
Just finished s2e6, p much half way thru. Ziggy is by far my most hated character, even more than Landsman. I’m having the same reaction to him that I had to Jesse the first time I watched Breaking Bad — a stubborn idiot who refuses to learn a goddamn fucking thing — but Jesse had complexity and a good heart whereas Ziggy is just smug and overconfident. I really hope he dies.
― the masseduction of lauryn hill (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 25 March 2018 14:08 (six years ago) link
Yeah, Ziggy is probably the most hateful character in the entire series. I'm hard-pressed to think of anyone who even comes close (I'm one of those who likes megafuckup Jimmy McNulty despite the megafuckedupness which you've barely scratched the surface of yourself).
― Toilet Paper Tube Bracelets -- Super Hero Themed? (Old Lunch), Sunday, 25 March 2018 14:11 (six years ago) link
Levy's up there, for sure. Valchek.
― Toilet Paper Tube Bracelets -- Super Hero Themed? (Old Lunch), Sunday, 25 March 2018 14:15 (six years ago) link
Oh yeah I love to hate Valchek, and Levy’s awful too of c but neither of them actually make me angry the way Ziggy does. I think it’s the entitlement, like one second you’ve got a hit on you because you fucked up a package for the THIRD CONSECUTIVE TIME, and the next second your debt has been absolved, and you complain that you didn’t get enough money for your car? And then light a $100 on fire!?!? Like what is WRONG with this dipshit!!!
― the masseduction of lauryn hill (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 25 March 2018 14:18 (six years ago) link
I hated McNulty at first but moreso because he was presented to us as a flawed but sympathetic antihero who we are supposed to care about and I’m so so so tired of boring straight white men with problems that we’re supposed to care about, I have no more patience for them.
― the masseduction of lauryn hill (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 25 March 2018 14:20 (six years ago) link
OKAY WAIT HOLD UP, I was actually 5 min away from finishing e6 and THEY JUST OFFED DEE, what the fuck!!! I had a hunch this might happen but I have a lot of hunches of things that might happen that never pan out and I’m a little shocked
― the masseduction of lauryn hill (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 25 March 2018 14:40 (six years ago) link
I love Ziggy's indignant "BAD ADVICE! You motherfuckers gave me bad advice!"
― Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Sunday, 25 March 2018 14:46 (six years ago) link
I think w/Ziggy the arc is interesting and I think the thing is once you see his character as a fuckup who no one respects, and how he can't stop being a fuckup, it makes sense in the end. Sorry for vagueness. I didn't mind him really!
― omar little, Sunday, 25 March 2018 16:02 (six years ago) link
yea agreed i hated ziggy the first time around but seeing it again made me appreciate him
― marcos, Sunday, 25 March 2018 16:09 (six years ago) link
Ziggy is fun to hate/impossible to like but not really a worse person than his brother for being self-destructive and annoying rather than competently amoral
― scotti pruitti (wins), Sunday, 25 March 2018 16:10 (six years ago) link
I didn't watch much of treme but the steve zahn character is kind of a ziggy
― scotti pruitti (wins), Sunday, 25 March 2018 16:13 (six years ago) link
Oh I also hate Rawls for being such a mean spirited bully. He might be my #2 most hated.
― the masseduction of lauryn hill (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 25 March 2018 16:18 (six years ago) link
Rawls is an amazing villain! I actually thought that's who you meant when you said "even worse than landsman" (it's been ages since I saw this & I get some names mixed up)
― scotti pruitti (wins), Sunday, 25 March 2018 16:19 (six years ago) link
Landsman is the smug cop in jimmy's dept? I find him hilarious tbh
― scotti pruitti (wins), Sunday, 25 March 2018 16:20 (six years ago) link
I didn’t mind Ziggy at all because, iirc, the actor puts in a great performance - I think it might be one of the all-time greatest representations of annoyingness onscreen.
Zahn in Treme is similar but much less interesting to watch.
― Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 25 March 2018 16:22 (six years ago) link
Landsman is the kiss-ass who always seems to be walking around eating something that’s dripping
― the masseduction of lauryn hill (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 25 March 2018 16:22 (six years ago) link
Also yeah! Landsman is fun. And S5 has his greatest moments.
― Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 25 March 2018 16:23 (six years ago) link
Landsman is such an irony bro
― scotti pruitti (wins), Sunday, 25 March 2018 16:25 (six years ago) link
D’Angelo is prob the show’s greatest loss in terms of having a good actor/performer/character sacrificed to the ongoing story.
― Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 25 March 2018 16:26 (six years ago) link
You need to keep your eyes open w/Rawls is all I'm gonna say.
― omar little, Sunday, 25 March 2018 16:26 (six years ago) link
🤐
― scotti pruitti (wins), Sunday, 25 March 2018 16:27 (six years ago) link
nothing but love for rawls tbh one of the best characters in this show
― marcos, Sunday, 25 March 2018 16:34 (six years ago) link
landsman is top 5, of all the products of all the show's environments he is the most perfect, more adapted than marlo
wins otm about the sobotka boys
― difficult listening hour, Sunday, 25 March 2018 16:52 (six years ago) link
it's funny that the real Jay Landsman plays such a nondescript functionary in the show
― Number None, Sunday, 25 March 2018 17:18 (six years ago) link
Ha, yeah, was just about to say: Stevie, you have a jaw-droppingly fantastic, blink and you miss it Rawls moment coming up 'round the corner.
― Toilet Paper Tube Bracelets -- Super Hero Themed? (Old Lunch), Sunday, 25 March 2018 17:26 (six years ago) link
That's probably because he isn't a real actor.
― zig zag ziggurat (Leee), Sunday, 25 March 2018 17:45 (six years ago) link
I love the fat landsman
― marcos, Sunday, 25 March 2018 17:53 (six years ago) link
The mousiness of Landsman-as-Mello is even a sharp contrast to how funny Landsman is in the 1991 book.
― just noticed tears shaped like florida. (sic), Sunday, 25 March 2018 17:56 (six years ago) link
― the masseduction of lauryn hill (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, March 25, 2018 10:08 AM (three hours ago
yes! I watched the wire before BB, but when watching BB and realizing how much I hated jesse, I too was reminded of how much I hated ziggy
― k3vin k., Sunday, 25 March 2018 18:03 (six years ago) link
yeah no shit
― Number None, Sunday, 25 March 2018 18:18 (six years ago) link