"The Wire" on HBO

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Yup. It's usually prompted by people watching it for the first time though, and it is jarring in that context

3 is the overrated season

Number None, Tuesday, 20 March 2018 18:58 (six years ago) link

lol the same discussion about S2 in this thread so many times

― (•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, March 20, 2018 2:56 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

true

marcos, Tuesday, 20 March 2018 19:01 (six years ago) link

nicky sobotka looks like he smells bad

marcos, Tuesday, 20 March 2018 19:03 (six years ago) link

lmao at that wire poll ending presumably after human extinction

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 19:22 (six years ago) link

Ziggy is unforgivable. I don't mean as a character, I mean as a thing that writers thought up to make the audience suffer through. But I'll stop

Nhex, Tuesday, 20 March 2018 19:30 (six years ago) link

5 is the worst season and, as Simon notes, it's not that much worse than the rest. And it's almost entirely due to the just...mindblowing stupidity of McNulty. I mean, seriously, what the fuck, McNutty.

The Secret Ingrediant is Love (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 19:39 (six years ago) link

Every time I think of season 5, I basically go through the same process as Bunk once he starts seeing the wheels turning on McNulty's 'amazing' plan. Oh...oh, no. Oh hell no. You have got to be fucking kidding me right now.

The Secret Ingrediant is Love (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 19:41 (six years ago) link

McNulty is not a man who was meant to keep the wheels on

mh, Tuesday, 20 March 2018 19:52 (six years ago) link

5 basically sucks bcz they didn't get the spinoff AND had the order cut, so it tried to cram what would have been covered in 19 episodes into 10

the ramping up of McNutty's lunacy would have been bearable if given more room

just noticed tears shaped like florida. (sic), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 20:10 (six years ago) link

the reporter characters were also boring

while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 20:44 (six years ago) link

What spinoff was that? Also I thought I read somewhere (this thread??) that DS said that the decision for 10 episodes was his/the writers', not HBO.

MarmiteGrrrl (Leee), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 21:19 (six years ago) link

Simon wanted to do six-episode series of The Hall in between S3/S4 and S4/S5. A lot of the Carcetti / Norman / Clay Davis type stuff would have happened in those, setting up political status quo for each following season of The Wire.

just noticed tears shaped like florida. (sic), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 21:26 (six years ago) link

5 is the worst because it’s so hard to hear the dialogue over the sound of David simon grinding his axe

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 22:40 (six years ago) link

This series isn't always bad, but it is no Juliet Bravo or The Shield.

calzino, Tuesday, 20 March 2018 22:43 (six years ago) link

fuck you! and your window!

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 21 March 2018 22:32 (six years ago) link

two episodes into S2 and I like it!

the masseduction of lauryn hill (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 21 March 2018 23:07 (six years ago) link

The vibes of S1 and S2 are so different and jarring.

Always liked how this person stayed true to the themes with these Breaking Bad parodies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiNdBGjxNzo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhX7hvzlaGc

pplains, Wednesday, 21 March 2018 23:25 (six years ago) link

lmao omg

the masseduction of lauryn hill (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 22 March 2018 00:13 (six years ago) link

S1 is pretty underrated at this point, i feel like there's so much gold in there as we get to meet the characters. really love the slow unfolding of Lester Freamon's character throughout the first several episodes.

omar little, Thursday, 22 March 2018 00:17 (six years ago) link

marcos
Posted: March 20, 2018 at 12:03:48 PM
nicky sobotka looks like he smells bad


how dare u

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 22 March 2018 02:39 (six years ago) link

i always liked s2

especially the whole subplot with the stupud fuckin stained glass window

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 22 March 2018 02:40 (six years ago) link

whoever is playing Ziggy feels like he took all his acting cues from the kid from T2

the masseduction of lauryn hill (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 22 March 2018 03:40 (six years ago) link

1. how dare you besmirch Edward Furlong
2. the guy is actually a good actor, I've seen him in other roles like Generation Kill where he's not super annoying. he was definitely directed this way

Nhex, Thursday, 22 March 2018 05:31 (six years ago) link

you get so into the street and its world and characters and then you are lurched out and taken into the world of these dumb fucking longshoremen

― Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, March 20, 2018 2:52 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

flopson, Thursday, 22 March 2018 06:11 (six years ago) link

s1 is great, whenever I think of it I always picture avon startling daniels wagging that finger as he glides past, one of the best wire moments

ogmor, Thursday, 22 March 2018 09:09 (six years ago) link

xxpost Yeah, I've been surprised to realize that Ziggy actor is Ziggy actor when I've seen him in other things.

The Secret Ingrediant is Love (Old Lunch), Thursday, 22 March 2018 12:20 (six years ago) link

especially the whole subplot with the stupud fuckin stained glass window

It's not just a subplot, it's how it all gets rolling!

Simon H., Thursday, 22 March 2018 12:59 (six years ago) link

It also sticks with me as a wholly believable catalyst for police/political action. A huge criminal investigation is initiated not by any true interest in justice but because a police commissioner is feeling butthurt over a petty rivalry.

The Secret Ingrediant is Love (Old Lunch), Thursday, 22 March 2018 13:06 (six years ago) link

^^ lol i was thinking exactly this yesterday (just finished up s2 e2)

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 22 March 2018 13:08 (six years ago) link

I can see where a petty rivalry starts to snowball, but over that?

pplains, Thursday, 22 March 2018 13:47 (six years ago) link

are you doing a full rewatch brad?

Simon H., Thursday, 22 March 2018 13:48 (six years ago) link

xp
don't see why it couldn't be even more trivial. I don't doubt that police commissioners have abused their power for pettier reasons irl

tsrobodo, Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:06 (six years ago) link

I don't get the chafing over S2's attention on the stevedores -- doesn't the show set up a parallel between them and the streets? At the very least, they're pretty funny.

#FIERCE #FLAWLESS #SLAY (Leee), Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:29 (six years ago) link

are you doing a full rewatch brad?

― Simon H., Thursday, March 22, 2018 6:48 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yep! i'm doing it with someone who's never seen the series before so it's gonna take a while

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:41 (six years ago) link

yeah I did that a few years back with my roommate. the second viewing is a blast.

Simon H., Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:44 (six years ago) link

it's interesting, imo there's a learning curve with season one that, at least for me, is *always there*. i rewatch the first 2-3 episodes and i'm like "i know this is great, i'm aware of it being great in the fragments of narrative and context that it's gradually trying to weave together into a more centralized story, but don't feel anything pulling me into what's happening yet." i don't mean to overstate its particular excellence on this front but it's at first alienating then deeply refreshing to watch a television show that doesn't really give a shit about my expectations as a viewer

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:55 (six years ago) link

and the way it does satisfy my expectations as a viewer is largely oblique! occasionally the dialogue gets very transparent about the themes traveling through the structure of the whole series and that's as basic as it gets. but the way the individual stories braid together and then scatter and then braid together again... idk, it's awesome. i guess all of these ideas are pretty pedestrian and are probably embedded throughout this thread multiple times already but: what i love about this series is you get what you put into it. it's great art.

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:59 (six years ago) link

i rewatch the first 2-3 episodes and i'm like "i know this is great, i'm aware of it being great in the fragments of narrative and context that it's gradually trying to weave together into a more centralized story, but don't feel anything pulling me into what's happening yet."

They're the opening chapters of a novelistic story, so the metrics of evaluating individual episodes of an otherwise serialized narrative shouldn't apply IMO.

zig zag ziggurat (Leee), Thursday, 22 March 2018 19:36 (six years ago) link

that's completely right! it's exactly like the learning curve of any novel you're trying to get into

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 22 March 2018 19:41 (six years ago) link

and also, so much more interesting than the "this is actually just a very long movie" taken by so many series/producers now

Simon H., Thursday, 22 March 2018 19:43 (six years ago) link

favorite moment of S5 is Gus doing voiceover of Carcetti firing Burrell - "he feared and hated me, I merely wanted him dead"

louise ck (milo z), Thursday, 22 March 2018 19:50 (six years ago) link

lmao

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 22 March 2018 20:01 (six years ago) link

tweedy impertinence

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 23 March 2018 23:05 (six years ago) link

Just finished s2e6, p much half way thru. Ziggy is by far my most hated character, even more than Landsman. I’m having the same reaction to him that I had to Jesse the first time I watched Breaking Bad — a stubborn idiot who refuses to learn a goddamn fucking thing — but Jesse had complexity and a good heart whereas Ziggy is just smug and overconfident. I really hope he dies.

the masseduction of lauryn hill (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 25 March 2018 14:08 (six years ago) link

Yeah, Ziggy is probably the most hateful character in the entire series. I'm hard-pressed to think of anyone who even comes close (I'm one of those who likes megafuckup Jimmy McNulty despite the megafuckedupness which you've barely scratched the surface of yourself).

Toilet Paper Tube Bracelets -- Super Hero Themed? (Old Lunch), Sunday, 25 March 2018 14:11 (six years ago) link

Levy's up there, for sure. Valchek.

Toilet Paper Tube Bracelets -- Super Hero Themed? (Old Lunch), Sunday, 25 March 2018 14:15 (six years ago) link

Oh yeah I love to hate Valchek, and Levy’s awful too of c but neither of them actually make me angry the way Ziggy does. I think it’s the entitlement, like one second you’ve got a hit on you because you fucked up a package for the THIRD CONSECUTIVE TIME, and the next second your debt has been absolved, and you complain that you didn’t get enough money for your car? And then light a $100 on fire!?!? Like what is WRONG with this dipshit!!!

the masseduction of lauryn hill (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 25 March 2018 14:18 (six years ago) link

I hated McNulty at first but moreso because he was presented to us as a flawed but sympathetic antihero who we are supposed to care about and I’m so so so tired of boring straight white men with problems that we’re supposed to care about, I have no more patience for them.

the masseduction of lauryn hill (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 25 March 2018 14:20 (six years ago) link

OKAY WAIT HOLD UP, I was actually 5 min away from finishing e6 and THEY JUST OFFED DEE, what the fuck!!! I had a hunch this might happen but I have a lot of hunches of things that might happen that never pan out and I’m a little shocked

the masseduction of lauryn hill (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 25 March 2018 14:40 (six years ago) link

I love Ziggy's indignant "BAD ADVICE! You motherfuckers gave me bad advice!"

Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Sunday, 25 March 2018 14:46 (six years ago) link


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