iyo did facebook ruin the internet?

fyi for those interested, apologies if it's already been posted - https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/03/how-change-your-facebook-settings-opt-out-platform-api-sharing

I agree with everything you're saying, sic, but the majority of people have no recognition of what copyright of photos and text, of what data privacy means. It's completely a "buyer beware" situation where public literacy of what can be done with data, what good data privacy practices are, is still amazingly low. Saying "well, you signed up with the terms being right there, tough shit that you and a billion other people couldn't understand the terms or are just big dummies" isn't going to change the fact that regulation lags far behind the current landscape.

then there's the people who are fully aware of what they're signing up for, but it's the largest game in town, so you're in on the shitty terms, or you're out

when i look at something on ebay and then it shows up on facebook later it makes me want to never use facebook but i do anyway. it's the new normal. people can get used to anything.

― scott seward, Tuesday, March 20, 2018 9:39 AM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah this has nothing to do with facebook per se, unless ebay has a facebook login thing now. third-party ad trackers can follow you based on things completely unrelated to user accounts. install a good ad/tracker blocker, now!

if you can explain this to me then i'll grant that you understand what you're getting yourself into when you share data about yourself with facebook

http://idlewords.com/images/adtech.jpg

this http://idlewords.com/images/adtech.jpg

btw if anyone wants to get a handle on the general tracking/data privacy literacy level, check out any question/answer website and look for people asking if their phone is listening to all their conversations, or other conspiratorial ideas about how they're getting targeted ads when they "didn't search for" something

there are tons of really obnoxious ways you can be profiled and tracked, but the guesses about how things work are seldom even in the right ballpark. There has to be legislation putting the onus on the corporations, because expecting user literacy is not viable

I don't listen to most of my conversations, lol if there's some schmuck at gchq has to

Actually, the only real use I've found for Facebook in the last year or so is in subscribing to a bunch of local pages and creating a sort of ad hoc community calendar/news board. But even that has limited efficacy when, say, even the page for your city government throws out random and trivial shit on the reg.

xp (just bantering, obviously this is all extremely concerning)

Good rule for anything on the internet is to never list your real name, dob, pob, workplace on any social/entertainment site. Use burner email accounts too when signing up for shit.

I started listing wrong birthdays years back and I was tickled when I showed up on one of those whitepages/spokeo sites as being 60-something years old.

also helps to share a name with famous canadian athletes iirc

Yeah, I know! I get so many misdirected emails from his fans and family. It's absurd.

this is my fave me:

"Former Parramatta Eels boss Scott Seward gets good behaviour bond over salary cap scandal."

Good rule for anything on the internet is to never list your real name, dob, pob, workplace on any social/entertainment site. Use burner email accounts too when signing up for shit.

even then it only has a limited effect if you're planning to connect with your real-life friends and family - i don't use my real name on fb but it would be pretty trivial for anyone who wanted to to track me down via my connections

he also LOOKS even more suspicious than me. which i didn't think was possible.

https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/2f441b3b9b69c625a1ef9bbbb54ad569

No one really "needs" to track me down via the internet so I feel fine about it.

imo the best is to go back in time and have your parents name you something ridiculously common

prevent catastrophe of ur own birth imo

gets it ^

FB got less and less fun or interesting, and became a toxic environment as the 2016 election drew closer. I found later that I would go through the same cycles with other social networks. I found myself getting sickened by the whole thing every time. I have since deleted every social media account I had...ok not true I still have Linkedin but that's like having nothing. ILX is now my only locus of social interaction on the internet. To the extent that FB and social networks ruined the internet, I think they are not especially positive social forces, but I'm being myopic here. I'm glad ILX still exists.

see, i just went to The Economist website and this is at the top. this should always be at the top:

"By continuing to browse this site you permit us and our partners to place identification cookies on your browser and agree to our use of cookies to identify you for marketing. Review our cookies policy for details or change your cookies preferences."

that's a european regulation, and it's excessive in that it appears on every damn site to the point where it's meaningless

i'm told california is like that with the "this could give you cancer" warnins

imo the best is to go back in time and have your parents name you something ridiculously common

― mh, Tuesday, March 20, 2018 12:46 PM (fifty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is precisely what i used my time machine for

"make sure i have the same name as 436 professors and the guy who invented tang, thanks"

not only is my name uncommon, there's only one other person who shows up on google with my name and he seems to be financially much more successful than me so fuck him

the most famous person w/ my name is a photographer, rendering all photos of me impossible to find

parents needs to consider this

name your kid index.html

think it's just the lack of transparency that makes me mad. and i don't get why there aren't really clear laws about it. but if laws can't get passed then just keep suing them, i guess.

There are really clear laws about election advertising in Washington! That have been on the books longer than Zuckerberg has been alive! Facebook just a) never cared to check the legality of their practices in the first place and b) is refusing to comply with the Seattle Ethics and Elections Commission

the most famous person with my name is fictional, which is even better

Mine is a current NFL player. So I’m way down the list in search results.

Incredibly rare in the US last name + a first name that's incredibly rare to non-existent in my surname's country of origin means that I am, as far as I can tell, the only person in the world with my name. Search results are all me.

My last name is virtually unique yet somehow there is an 80s New Haven metal band whose name is my last name. No band members share my last name. I have no idea how or where they got the name from, and there is very little info online about them.

is it Firefight? Please say yes.

yeah it wasn't until the advent of social media that i came to appreciate my parents' choice to name me 'adolf hitler'

Incredibly rare in the US last name + a first name that's incredibly rare to non-existent in my surname's country of origin means that I am, as far as I can tell, the only person in the world with my name. Search results are all me.

― joygoat, Tuesday, March 20, 2018 2:20 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Same.

there is one other me that i'm aware of - a woman - and i when i was still on facebook i friended her. she silently accepted the friend request. we have had no other contact. when i quit facebook (9 years ago!!?) i somehow managed to export everyone's birthdays as an iCal. no memory of how i did that. so whenever it's the other me's birthday i get a little notification and feel momentarily eldritch and uncanny

hard to believe it's been 20 years since your bud light cup series debut

As someone else put it, if the product is free, then you are the product.

Getting a little touchy over there, I see.

https://lawandcrime.com/exclusive/facebook-forces-nyt-to-quietly-delete-unflattering-reference-to-sheryl-sandberg-in-story-about-russian-trolls/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E2z-1Mi6Zo?t=1m12s

"See, now, that's just not, the way, to go, here, Karen."

I never gave FB shit like where I work/where I went to school/who I am related to/my phone number. It has none of that. I dont use the app on my phone, I use it via Chrome browser (they make this purposely VERY HARD TO DO btw). This isnt my real name, obviously. Ive never made a public post, and dont even make many "all friends" ones either (tho that shit is moot for FB themselves of course).

Hell I have an old Livejournal Ive had since 2001 and that sites owned by Russians, its probably way more in peril and I really should just delete it.

hard to believe it's been 20 years since your bud light cup series debut

lol somebody i am gonna meet that guy. and apologize.

someDAY

i enjoy this chat, i do, not least because i get to show off about how long i left facebook, but the CA stuff that's come out this week is so monumental - i dunno, maybe that's why we've gone down this rabbit-hole of nostalgia and evaluating our personal routines? because it's too gruesome to even to think about? about how public sentiments being manipulated en masse to swing an election isn't a flaw in the system? it is rather the ultimate perfection of marketing? that it's just an exaggerated version of what we live with all the time anyway? that our thoughts aren't really our own? or maybe they are, but how are we to know? sorry to get all p.k. dick ~think abt it~ but i feel like we've reached a kind of event horizon here somehow

we've always been adaptive little desire machines

i just ghosted on facebook, wonder how long that'll last. there are only one or two people on there who i need to get emails / numbers from so maybe it'll stick.

we have evolved into the body without organs