iyo did facebook ruin the internet?

Same with all those stupid FB quizzes. Cmon guys you dont care which dorito flavour your starsign is, are you twelve? Advertisers just want yr deets.

OTM

Deleted mine a year ago to combat compulsive checking during stress. Now I just bombard ILX.

I pretty much only look at FB when I get a notification of a message or on the rare occasion that someone posts something on my wall. It's truly glorious to be free from the scourge.

Decent explainer of what we know about what’s going on with Stamos

https://gizmodo.com/amid-mounting-crises-facebook-is-reportedly-phasing-ou-1823905362

Well in 2006 or so it was still just “a website” and I was a teenager, arguably I shouldn’t have known better at the time

but it still said what you were signing up for. I'd accept an argument that nobody under 25 should have been allowed to sign up

most of those things exist under the covers and are completely opaque to anyone who doesn't read up on data aggregation and closely read the fine print.

but it was in the normal print (in 2007 when enough ppl were shouting at me to get on so I looked) that they were mining every thing you liked, typed or interacted about in order to sell that data to literally anybody that wanted it. and it was in the bold, large print that you were (eg) transferring copyright in every sentence you typed, and every photograph of yourself, your friends or your grandmother to them, in perpetuity. those principles are the reasons I didn't sign up then, and also the exact thing that people are getting upset about in 2018.

nothing's different now except that they're absolutely definitely doing everything it seemed that their business model would lead them to do, back then!

I've probably typed the same thing every two years on here tbr

Lol who else keeps getting carole cadwalladr stories pushed in their feed

Like bill hicks on anti-marketing marketing... "guys, this new climate of fear and suspicion of our company... this could be a huge revenue generator for us"

“was persuaded to stay through August to oversee the transition of his responsibilities and because executives thought his departure would look bad”

sigh

If you delete your Facebook account at this point, do they claim to delete all your data? Given everything, I wouldn't believe them for a second even if they did say that, so it seems a somewhat useless gesture after years on there.

They will after GDPR goes into effect

maria spent all last week translating legal documents from the big belgian case against facebook and it was very interesting! every country should sue them. all the time.

Scott - might want to delete this?

Decent explainer of what we know about what’s going on with Stamos

https://gizmodo.com/amid-mounting-crises-facebook-is-reportedly-phasing-ou-1823905362

― El Tomboto

so facebook wanted stamos to stay... "forever"?

deepest apologies

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/03/how-change-your-facebook-settings-opt-out-platform-api-sharing

I have never used these features but realized this morning I'd never turned them off.

"Scott - might want to delete this?"

you think? i'm not a lawyer. i don't think it was anything top-secret.

and i didn't read any documents. i just didn't know a lot of public facts that she explained to me. the third-party stuff.

I'm in my middle 40s, like most of my Facebook friends. Some of my male friends need to grab the reins a little and realize that Facebook is not some sort of online blog, to transcribe your Hard Harry diatribes. I don't care what you think about the president, the past president, Pokemon or fidget spinners. It's embarrassing for me to read. It definitely does not give me anything I'm willing to publicly participate with or actively react to.

― pplains

oh, come on, nobody fucking reads personal blogs. i'm well aware i used facebook "wrong" and that it should only be used for pictures of pets/children/food (these categories should never overlap), but facebook basically was the social internet. i posted there for the two or three people who were interested in that sort of thing, because disclosure of data to advertisers and hostile foreign governments notwithstanding it did afford a reasonable degree of privacy that helped mitigate my fear of being sacked or targeted by an online lynch mob for saying something stupid (a habit of mine), and because it was piss-easy to ignore me there if you didn't like it (i still haven't figured out how to work the killfile around here).

three days on i do find that i was probably, for want of a better word, "addicted". i find it really difficult for me to live my everyday life without checking it. and hence i'm relying more on this board, probably. fortunately i have a vacation coming up (i draw a hard line at social networking on my phone) which might actually help in this case.

xp

Depends on her status/context of the work, but most litigation work has stringent confidentiality requirements.

took a break for a month there last year and after the initial fomo, it was a bit of a relief tbh. the only thing was i couldnt use spotify as it was linked to my FB account which was a balls

"but most litigation work has stringent confidentiality requirements."

really all she told me was that if you go on any website with a facebook icon on it that facebook collects data from whoever visits that site. whether they have ever gone on facebook or not. which i don't think i knew. but that was probably common knowledge for a lot of people.

i don't really keep up when it comes to the data wars.

I would axe my account in a second if it weren't so useful for connecting with music people.

It would be nice to only maintain an artist page and not have a personal one, except it's verging on hilarity how much they've throttled down non-personal pages. If you don't give them money to show people your post (which, never), it's now seen by like 20-50 ppl (as opposed to a few hundred before). I should really just delete that page.

i think it's just the lack of transparency that makes me mad. and i don't get why there aren't really clear laws about it. but if laws can't get passed then just keep suing them, i guess. if you went to a website and a thing popped up that said "we will be selling/sharing your data" most people probably wouldn't even care. but at least they would have clear knowledge about what was going on.

when i look at something on ebay and then it shows up on facebook later it makes me want to never use facebook but i do anyway. it's the new normal. people can get used to anything.

my account is a few months old and i can’t think of a single reason to keep it. it’s been utterly useless.

fyi for those interested, apologies if it's already been posted - https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/03/how-change-your-facebook-settings-opt-out-platform-api-sharing

I agree with everything you're saying, sic, but the majority of people have no recognition of what copyright of photos and text, of what data privacy means. It's completely a "buyer beware" situation where public literacy of what can be done with data, what good data privacy practices are, is still amazingly low. Saying "well, you signed up with the terms being right there, tough shit that you and a billion other people couldn't understand the terms or are just big dummies" isn't going to change the fact that regulation lags far behind the current landscape.

then there's the people who are fully aware of what they're signing up for, but it's the largest game in town, so you're in on the shitty terms, or you're out

when i look at something on ebay and then it shows up on facebook later it makes me want to never use facebook but i do anyway. it's the new normal. people can get used to anything.

― scott seward, Tuesday, March 20, 2018 9:39 AM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah this has nothing to do with facebook per se, unless ebay has a facebook login thing now. third-party ad trackers can follow you based on things completely unrelated to user accounts. install a good ad/tracker blocker, now!

if you can explain this to me then i'll grant that you understand what you're getting yourself into when you share data about yourself with facebook

http://idlewords.com/images/adtech.jpg

this http://idlewords.com/images/adtech.jpg

btw if anyone wants to get a handle on the general tracking/data privacy literacy level, check out any question/answer website and look for people asking if their phone is listening to all their conversations, or other conspiratorial ideas about how they're getting targeted ads when they "didn't search for" something

there are tons of really obnoxious ways you can be profiled and tracked, but the guesses about how things work are seldom even in the right ballpark. There has to be legislation putting the onus on the corporations, because expecting user literacy is not viable

I don't listen to most of my conversations, lol if there's some schmuck at gchq has to

Actually, the only real use I've found for Facebook in the last year or so is in subscribing to a bunch of local pages and creating a sort of ad hoc community calendar/news board. But even that has limited efficacy when, say, even the page for your city government throws out random and trivial shit on the reg.

xp (just bantering, obviously this is all extremely concerning)

Good rule for anything on the internet is to never list your real name, dob, pob, workplace on any social/entertainment site. Use burner email accounts too when signing up for shit.

I started listing wrong birthdays years back and I was tickled when I showed up on one of those whitepages/spokeo sites as being 60-something years old.

also helps to share a name with famous canadian athletes iirc

Yeah, I know! I get so many misdirected emails from his fans and family. It's absurd.

this is my fave me:

"Former Parramatta Eels boss Scott Seward gets good behaviour bond over salary cap scandal."

Good rule for anything on the internet is to never list your real name, dob, pob, workplace on any social/entertainment site. Use burner email accounts too when signing up for shit.

even then it only has a limited effect if you're planning to connect with your real-life friends and family - i don't use my real name on fb but it would be pretty trivial for anyone who wanted to to track me down via my connections

he also LOOKS even more suspicious than me. which i didn't think was possible.

https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/2f441b3b9b69c625a1ef9bbbb54ad569

No one really "needs" to track me down via the internet so I feel fine about it.

imo the best is to go back in time and have your parents name you something ridiculously common

prevent catastrophe of ur own birth imo

gets it ^

FB got less and less fun or interesting, and became a toxic environment as the 2016 election drew closer. I found later that I would go through the same cycles with other social networks. I found myself getting sickened by the whole thing every time. I have since deleted every social media account I had...ok not true I still have Linkedin but that's like having nothing. ILX is now my only locus of social interaction on the internet. To the extent that FB and social networks ruined the internet, I think they are not especially positive social forces, but I'm being myopic here. I'm glad ILX still exists.

see, i just went to The Economist website and this is at the top. this should always be at the top:

"By continuing to browse this site you permit us and our partners to place identification cookies on your browser and agree to our use of cookies to identify you for marketing. Review our cookies policy for details or change your cookies preferences."

that's a european regulation, and it's excessive in that it appears on every damn site to the point where it's meaningless

i'm told california is like that with the "this could give you cancer" warnins