iyo did facebook ruin the internet?

wyden has some decent questions:

https://www.wyden.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/wyden-cambridge-analytica-to-facebook.pdf

soghoian having a field day

tbh their facebook shit is a lesser sin if you count fucking around with smaller countries more directly and straight-up doing sex worker extortion scams abroad

it's another variation on the same question, isn't it? what do you do, how do you live your life, when doing the right thing isn't an option? facebook can do whatever they want, up to and including getting indignant about how the death ray they designed was for peaceful purposes only, and they will face no meaningful consequences, because all of the institutions that would hold them accountable are broken. i like ron wyden and i'm glad he's my senator, but i don't believe for a second that congress is going to be able to institute serious enough consequences to keep this from happening again, and again, and again.

i did deactivate my facebook account because the only consequences i'm facing is the likelihood of never speaking to a bunch of my best and longest-term friends again, but it's a token gesture at best.

if you go to Settings | Apps it shows you the list of authorized applications, along with who you've allowed the app access to

I have never once used my FB login to log into another website, comments section, forum, app or otherwise. I figured it was blindly obvious this was data mining at its finest.

Same with all those stupid FB quizzes. Cmon guys you dont care which dorito flavour your starsign is, are you twelve? Advertisers just want yr deets.

I only take the good quizzes

what is great is I had that typed up before seeing Trayce’s post

LOL!

I can't deactivate my account because I use it for my office accounts. It's also handy to use when looking around for company logos or verifying that a mugshot I have in hand is actually the guy we plan on identifying as the subject.

But I gave up on the social aspect of it weeks ago. I'm not interested in finding a lost dog in Wisconsin or what your opinion is of the current president. I'm not going to sign your petition, I'm apathetic to the result of your online quiz. The funny stuff I ever see on there I've already seen either here or on Twitter. Hell, I'm heaps guilty of finding shit here and then going on to Facebook to share it with my second cousins.

I'm in my middle 40s, like most of my Facebook friends. Some of my male friends need to grab the reins a little and realize that Facebook is not some sort of online blog, to transcribe your Hard Harry diatribes. I don't care what you think about the president, the past president, Pokemon or fidget spinners. It's embarrassing for me to read. It definitely does not give me anything I'm willing to publicly participate with or actively react to.

I checked in recently because my wife posted a photo of our dog looking over our backyard fence. Otherwise, getting gone feels great.

i don't get the argument that you shouldn't delete your facebook account. it feels like telling someone they shouldn't be a vegetarian because other people will still eat meat. like if your goal is to end global consumption of meat, simply becoming a vegetarian is not

all

p.s. delete your facebook account.

haha sorry for the dramatic quote that should have been italic

can't delete it. never started. never will.

but I do own a television.

just no cable channels.

Same with all those stupid FB quizzes. Cmon guys you dont care which dorito flavour your starsign is, are you twelve? Advertisers just want yr deets.

OTM

Deleted mine a year ago to combat compulsive checking during stress. Now I just bombard ILX.

I pretty much only look at FB when I get a notification of a message or on the rare occasion that someone posts something on my wall. It's truly glorious to be free from the scourge.

Decent explainer of what we know about what’s going on with Stamos

https://gizmodo.com/amid-mounting-crises-facebook-is-reportedly-phasing-ou-1823905362

Well in 2006 or so it was still just “a website” and I was a teenager, arguably I shouldn’t have known better at the time

but it still said what you were signing up for. I'd accept an argument that nobody under 25 should have been allowed to sign up

most of those things exist under the covers and are completely opaque to anyone who doesn't read up on data aggregation and closely read the fine print.

but it was in the normal print (in 2007 when enough ppl were shouting at me to get on so I looked) that they were mining every thing you liked, typed or interacted about in order to sell that data to literally anybody that wanted it. and it was in the bold, large print that you were (eg) transferring copyright in every sentence you typed, and every photograph of yourself, your friends or your grandmother to them, in perpetuity. those principles are the reasons I didn't sign up then, and also the exact thing that people are getting upset about in 2018.

nothing's different now except that they're absolutely definitely doing everything it seemed that their business model would lead them to do, back then!

I've probably typed the same thing every two years on here tbr

Lol who else keeps getting carole cadwalladr stories pushed in their feed

Like bill hicks on anti-marketing marketing... "guys, this new climate of fear and suspicion of our company... this could be a huge revenue generator for us"

“was persuaded to stay through August to oversee the transition of his responsibilities and because executives thought his departure would look bad”

sigh

If you delete your Facebook account at this point, do they claim to delete all your data? Given everything, I wouldn't believe them for a second even if they did say that, so it seems a somewhat useless gesture after years on there.

They will after GDPR goes into effect

maria spent all last week translating legal documents from the big belgian case against facebook and it was very interesting! every country should sue them. all the time.

Scott - might want to delete this?

Decent explainer of what we know about what’s going on with Stamos

https://gizmodo.com/amid-mounting-crises-facebook-is-reportedly-phasing-ou-1823905362

― El Tomboto

so facebook wanted stamos to stay... "forever"?

deepest apologies

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/03/how-change-your-facebook-settings-opt-out-platform-api-sharing

I have never used these features but realized this morning I'd never turned them off.

"Scott - might want to delete this?"

you think? i'm not a lawyer. i don't think it was anything top-secret.

and i didn't read any documents. i just didn't know a lot of public facts that she explained to me. the third-party stuff.

I'm in my middle 40s, like most of my Facebook friends. Some of my male friends need to grab the reins a little and realize that Facebook is not some sort of online blog, to transcribe your Hard Harry diatribes. I don't care what you think about the president, the past president, Pokemon or fidget spinners. It's embarrassing for me to read. It definitely does not give me anything I'm willing to publicly participate with or actively react to.

― pplains

oh, come on, nobody fucking reads personal blogs. i'm well aware i used facebook "wrong" and that it should only be used for pictures of pets/children/food (these categories should never overlap), but facebook basically was the social internet. i posted there for the two or three people who were interested in that sort of thing, because disclosure of data to advertisers and hostile foreign governments notwithstanding it did afford a reasonable degree of privacy that helped mitigate my fear of being sacked or targeted by an online lynch mob for saying something stupid (a habit of mine), and because it was piss-easy to ignore me there if you didn't like it (i still haven't figured out how to work the killfile around here).

three days on i do find that i was probably, for want of a better word, "addicted". i find it really difficult for me to live my everyday life without checking it. and hence i'm relying more on this board, probably. fortunately i have a vacation coming up (i draw a hard line at social networking on my phone) which might actually help in this case.

xp

Depends on her status/context of the work, but most litigation work has stringent confidentiality requirements.

took a break for a month there last year and after the initial fomo, it was a bit of a relief tbh. the only thing was i couldnt use spotify as it was linked to my FB account which was a balls

"but most litigation work has stringent confidentiality requirements."

really all she told me was that if you go on any website with a facebook icon on it that facebook collects data from whoever visits that site. whether they have ever gone on facebook or not. which i don't think i knew. but that was probably common knowledge for a lot of people.

i don't really keep up when it comes to the data wars.

I would axe my account in a second if it weren't so useful for connecting with music people.

It would be nice to only maintain an artist page and not have a personal one, except it's verging on hilarity how much they've throttled down non-personal pages. If you don't give them money to show people your post (which, never), it's now seen by like 20-50 ppl (as opposed to a few hundred before). I should really just delete that page.

i think it's just the lack of transparency that makes me mad. and i don't get why there aren't really clear laws about it. but if laws can't get passed then just keep suing them, i guess. if you went to a website and a thing popped up that said "we will be selling/sharing your data" most people probably wouldn't even care. but at least they would have clear knowledge about what was going on.

when i look at something on ebay and then it shows up on facebook later it makes me want to never use facebook but i do anyway. it's the new normal. people can get used to anything.

my account is a few months old and i can’t think of a single reason to keep it. it’s been utterly useless.

fyi for those interested, apologies if it's already been posted - https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/03/how-change-your-facebook-settings-opt-out-platform-api-sharing

I agree with everything you're saying, sic, but the majority of people have no recognition of what copyright of photos and text, of what data privacy means. It's completely a "buyer beware" situation where public literacy of what can be done with data, what good data privacy practices are, is still amazingly low. Saying "well, you signed up with the terms being right there, tough shit that you and a billion other people couldn't understand the terms or are just big dummies" isn't going to change the fact that regulation lags far behind the current landscape.

then there's the people who are fully aware of what they're signing up for, but it's the largest game in town, so you're in on the shitty terms, or you're out

when i look at something on ebay and then it shows up on facebook later it makes me want to never use facebook but i do anyway. it's the new normal. people can get used to anything.

― scott seward, Tuesday, March 20, 2018 9:39 AM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah this has nothing to do with facebook per se, unless ebay has a facebook login thing now. third-party ad trackers can follow you based on things completely unrelated to user accounts. install a good ad/tracker blocker, now!

if you can explain this to me then i'll grant that you understand what you're getting yourself into when you share data about yourself with facebook

http://idlewords.com/images/adtech.jpg

this http://idlewords.com/images/adtech.jpg

btw if anyone wants to get a handle on the general tracking/data privacy literacy level, check out any question/answer website and look for people asking if their phone is listening to all their conversations, or other conspiratorial ideas about how they're getting targeted ads when they "didn't search for" something

there are tons of really obnoxious ways you can be profiled and tracked, but the guesses about how things work are seldom even in the right ballpark. There has to be legislation putting the onus on the corporations, because expecting user literacy is not viable

I don't listen to most of my conversations, lol if there's some schmuck at gchq has to

Actually, the only real use I've found for Facebook in the last year or so is in subscribing to a bunch of local pages and creating a sort of ad hoc community calendar/news board. But even that has limited efficacy when, say, even the page for your city government throws out random and trivial shit on the reg.

xp (just bantering, obviously this is all extremely concerning)