Democratic (Party) Direction

The fact of how and why you read him hasn't stopped you from droning on about his supposedly impressive expertise.

sorry everyone this is a stupid fuckin argument to be having especially itt, imagine defending Eric Garland in the year of our lord 2018, bye

Are you suggesting that the Special Counsel's office of the United States Department of Justice has not published an indictment alleging that a Russian psy-op infiltrated Black Lives Matter groups? Or are you suggesting that facts can only be obtained from people whose ideological orientation you share?

― Moo Vaughn, Wednesday, March 14, 2018 12:04 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

eric garland has suggested that BLM and events like Ferguson were wholly Russian organized.

Was Tribe the one who had an elaborate fantasy where Hillary could become President in mid 2017?

― louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, March 14, 2018 12:23 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Honestly it's amazing how much this election seems to be revealing respected figures as either frauds or people who have now been driven mad.

lol

Just like Tribe is eminently qualified to comment on American legal matters and to some degree more widely on public affairs, Carson is eminently qualified to perform neurosurgery, but I'm not aware of any administrative or policy experience that would qualify him to run HHS, let alone HUD or the Executive Office of the President.

I've quoted Tribe on ISDS & in work I've done--he does well there. what the fuck makes him "qualified" to wildly speculate on palace intrigue?

Look at "Morning" Joe praising Joe Biden as a plausible nominee as if trying to convince himself he hasn't been mad since the Clinton impeachment

eric garland has suggested that BLM and events like Ferguson were wholly Russian organized.

― Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), 14. marts 2018 20:10 (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm not sure this is true, though? I read the thread, not just the one tweet everyone shared, and he seemed to be speculating local right-wing politicians let it happen. Or is it something else, I would not be particularly surprised.

The fact of how and why you read him hasn't stopped you from droning on about his supposedly impressive expertise.

― Simon H., Wednesday, March 14, 2018 7:07 PM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I haven't referred to his "impressive expertise," I've suggested that he has more relevant expertise as to the matter in contention - online psy-ops - than this particular critic. I had to look up both for purposes of making that determination, but research confirmed that he's one of many such who are so relatively lacking, and with interested-party ties that he does not disclose.

Aside, do you have an explanation as to why exit polls indicate that 5% of black men in Florida voted for Jill Stein, more than the percentage of whites who did so in that state or IA, WI, MI, PA, or NH?

when the psy-ops are online

eric garland has suggested that BLM and events like Ferguson were wholly Russian organized.

― Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), 14. marts 2018 20:10 (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm not sure this is true, though? I read the thread, not just the one tweet everyone shared, and he seemed to be speculating local right-wing politicians let it happen. Or is it something else, I would not be particularly surprised.

― Frederik B, Wednesday, March 14, 2018 12:24 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this was tainted with russomadness too. this situation surely "wouldn't be allowed to happen" by the prominent and rich people of the surrounding community if they were not unduly influenced by republican/russian pressure to not intervene in the situation

Yeah, sounds like him.

More generally I have seen the tactic of using any intimation of russian support or influence to imply that the subject of that support is per se tainted/dirty. A highly educated facebook friend of mine, a grown woman who is a partner in a law firm, keeps posting about how people who voted for Bernie "supported a guy who was backed by an enemy of the U.S." and that sort of thing.

Yeah. You see that as well in the Sally Albright story.

Btw, the 538 Emergency Podcast on Conor Lamb is really good. Says for instance that the generic congressional ballot might be underestimating Dem enthusiasm.

Nate Silver explains it here: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-enthusiasm-gap-could-turn-a-democratic-wave-into-a-tsunami/

Just want to say that I feel really dumb for not getting the Moo Vaughn / moveon.org connection until someone else pointed it out

At the Presidential level, the Democrats should have two primary electoral concerns:

1. Restore the interest of mostly non-white and/or young voters who were energized by the candidacy of a partly-African-American Gen-X'er but not by several white Baby Boomers without facility in those communities who preceded or followed him

2. Restore the confidence of more frequent and mostly white, middle-american, and middle-aged-to-older voters who are unbeholden to party or even ideology but driven by an interest in improving their material and corporeal well-being that does not necessarily translate to either specific substantive policy preferences or even a general interest in direct receipt of government assistance

Both of these certainly have something to do with various sorts of policy, but I don't believe either has as much to do with the identity/tone/emphasis/style of the candidate, especially to the degree that the two concerns may increasingly be perceived as in opposition to one another to the degree that a candidate becomes more specific in response to them.

Says for instance that the generic congressional ballot might be underestimating Dem enthusiasm.

― Frederik B, Wednesday, March 14, 2018 7:58 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I've been thinking that for some time, at least to the degree one is referring to the average of the generic margin - the deviations to the high end show where there's a good chance that things may go over time.

gabbneb thinks that masha gessen is secretly on putin's payroll because she's russian, makes so much sense that he's also an eric garland fan

(rendered semi-incoherent by reworking but was attempting to say that I think identity/tone etc. are bigger drivers of presidential vote than policy positions)

Looks like the Detroit Free Press is no longer standing by their original title, calling #Progressives in the Democratic party the "Taliban wing." They're now "Fratricidal Democrats." #BankLobbyistAct pic.twitter.com/PE32JGKpFC

— Jeremy Chopp (@jeremychopp) March 15, 2018

1. Restore the interest of mostly non-white and/or young voters who were energized by the candidacy of a partly-African-American Gen-X'er

this is a really cool way to refer to obama

i'm younger than Obama and i am no Gen X-er

so basic math is among neb's many failures

well yeah, i mean obama is a late baby boomer but it was "partly-African-American" that i was balking at

and that hyphen after "partly"

Yes, I should have called him a Generation Joneser, with cross-appeal to boomers and X'ers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Jones

Barack Obama II is of Luo, English, German, Irish, Scottish, Swiss, and Welsh ancestry

We are not often thankful enough of your demographic prowess.

We are not often thankful enough of your demographic prowess.

Barack Obama II

The Wrath of Hope

whole lotta hope

Honestly it's amazing how much this election seems to be revealing respected figures as either frauds or people who have now been driven mad.

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive)

i hate to say this but i really think a hell of a lot of people have been driven mad, or at least temporarily deranged, by the past couple years, and the people who were most invested in pre-2016 political norms have gone the most bonkers

this explains a lot about why i feel that bernie-ism is the west's political hope at this point in time

Barack Obama II is of Luo, English, German, Irish, Scottish, Swiss, and Welsh ancestry

― Moo Vaughn, Thursday, March 15, 2018 12:17 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i wish u were in front of me so i could slap you in the mouth for each item in this list. WHY ARE YOU LIKE THIS

i faintly remember someone making a argument here a long time ago about how people with german ancestry in the upper midwest US were more likely to vote for obama because of his german roots (or something). realizing now that was probably a gabbnebism

i wish u were in front of me so i could slap you in the mouth for each item in this list. WHY ARE YOU LIKE THIS

― NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Thursday, March 15, 2018 7:31 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Perhaps you should think about the possibility that this says a great deal more about you than it does about me, direct the question at yourself, and concentrate on the subject matter rather than the personality of the poster. Do you in fact have any substantive point to make?

“Obama’s German Ancestry” would have been a good title for one of those past election threads.

xp

no; youre just too much sometimes, my dude

if you want a more substantive thing, Q: why in the two thousand and eighteenth year of our lord do you continue do you put stock into what flavor of european people have in their family tree as if those connections mean anything? i just want to know what studies exist that demonstrate their meaningfulness.

also ps i ilu never change (except in this way)

NB: There is a difference between making your points and communicating your points. If you fail to communicate them because of your "personality" (i.e. how you make your point) then blaming the other party is counter productive, unless you just don't care about communication and are just writing to scratch an itch.

this user was banned for life and has created a new account. not really sure why he's still here tbh

An interesting take I have been seeing on Lamb is that, while he ran as a "moderate," he also ran pro-labor and new deal dem on economic issues, and that's what delivered him the win rather than being "moderate." I take everything with a grain of salt when it comes to this stuff because each side wants to believe their politics are the way to win every single election. But it sounds credible.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/03/14/labor-delivered-win-democrat-conor-lamb-prevails-district-trump-won-20

this user was banned for life

the mods can figure this out, but we non-mods can only conjecture it. though it seems like a safe bet by now who we're dealing with.

the politics threads have taken on some weird meta aspect. all the politics threads are divided between people trying to perpetuate the dialogue despite the fact that it's been poisoned and people who don't actually have the power to fix anything trying desperately to call attention to the source of the destabilization.

Who is which? And can one oscillate between those two attitudes?

Maybe we should be glad that there's nobody on Team "Everything's Going Swimmingly #MAGA"

if you want a more substantive thing, Q: why in the two thousand and eighteenth year of our lord do you continue do you put stock into what flavor of european people have in their family tree as if those connections mean anything? i just want to know what studies exist that demonstrate their meaningfulness.

― NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:10 PM (fifty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'll probably address this in substance in a more appropriate thread at a later date.

*endless screaming*