Democratic (Party) Direction

Tribe was the one who said Russia shot down a passenger plane to hit a dissident not on the plane, right?

This is the Tribe tweet in question:

Not at all. It looks like Russia picked Tillerson to be a Putin puppet, then pushed Trump to fire Tillerson when he proved to be an unreliable puppet. No mystery there. https://t.co/nqYGlZvZ5g

— Laurence Tribe (@tribelaw) March 14, 2018

No matter his credentials, he is clearly unreliable.

I've never heard of Sally Albright, but Director of Pediatric Neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins Hospital Ben Carson, pioneer in neurosurgery & recipient of more than 60 honorary doctorate degrees, dozens of national merit citations, and over 100 neurosurgical publications, is definitely a fake conspiracy sock puppet

clip of football hitting Hans Moleman Moo Vaughn in the crotch

btw, Moo's last post in this thread absolutely identifies him as gabbneb imo

was there ever any doubt?

I entertained doubts. I like to take my time when deciding if a new poster is bedsheet thrown over a banned poster.

a bed sheet with mooncalf eyes

did the benbbag variation actually get banned?

I've never heard of Sally Albright, but Director of Pediatric Neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins Hospital Ben Carson, pioneer in neurosurgery & recipient of more than 60 honorary doctorate degrees, dozens of national merit citations, and over 100 neurosurgical publications, is definitely a fake conspiracy sock puppet

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, March 14, 2018 6:12 PM (sixteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Just like Tribe is eminently qualified to comment on American legal matters and to some degree more widely on public affairs, Carson is eminently qualified to perform neurosurgery, but I'm not aware of any administrative or policy experience that would qualify him to run HHS, let alone HUD or the Executive Office of the President. Garland, with more training than either or most in the interrelationship of international affairs and technology and in a professional position to have developed intelligence community relationships or at least insight, and who I've read mostly accidentally, purports to share your view of credentials - https://www.ericgarland.co/2011/03/25/megatrend-credentials-suck/ - but nevertheless rightly regards those who criticize twitter analysts, including journalists of various descriptions, as often relatively lacking in relevant knowledge - https://www.ericgarland.co/2017/05/11/game-theory-citizen-journalists-media/) - such that it's more than reasonable to suggest that journalistic standards (not necessarily adhered to by the critics) and sources (not necessarily possessed by the critics) are hardly an exclusive means for obtaining the truth or perceptive analysis.

Eric Garland is opportunistic slime and you should feel bad for big-upping him in any way.

You misspelled Edward Snowden

Remind me of when Snowden dismissed all substantive left protest or criticism as being primarily a psy-op (including BLM)

The credentials for both Garland and Tribe might have earned them the benefit of the doubt for a while, but come on, they've pissed that away.

of course gabbneb is the kind of clueless dork who likes eric garland

Are you suggesting that the Special Counsel's office of the United States Department of Justice has not published an indictment alleging that a Russian psy-op infiltrated Black Lives Matter groups? Or are you suggesting that facts can only be obtained from people whose ideological orientation you share?

you should feel bad for big-upping him in any way.

― Simon H., Wednesday, March 14, 2018 6:56 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

who I've read mostly accidentally

― Moo Vaughn, Wednesday, March 14, 2018 6:53 PM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Reading is Fundamental

Read my post again. Foreign elements will certainly try to exacerbate existing fissures but they're a minor force compared to the fissures themselves.

The fact of how and why you read him hasn't stopped you from droning on about his supposedly impressive expertise.

sorry everyone this is a stupid fuckin argument to be having especially itt, imagine defending Eric Garland in the year of our lord 2018, bye

Are you suggesting that the Special Counsel's office of the United States Department of Justice has not published an indictment alleging that a Russian psy-op infiltrated Black Lives Matter groups? Or are you suggesting that facts can only be obtained from people whose ideological orientation you share?

― Moo Vaughn, Wednesday, March 14, 2018 12:04 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

eric garland has suggested that BLM and events like Ferguson were wholly Russian organized.

Was Tribe the one who had an elaborate fantasy where Hillary could become President in mid 2017?

― louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, March 14, 2018 12:23 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Honestly it's amazing how much this election seems to be revealing respected figures as either frauds or people who have now been driven mad.

lol

Just like Tribe is eminently qualified to comment on American legal matters and to some degree more widely on public affairs, Carson is eminently qualified to perform neurosurgery, but I'm not aware of any administrative or policy experience that would qualify him to run HHS, let alone HUD or the Executive Office of the President.

I've quoted Tribe on ISDS & in work I've done--he does well there. what the fuck makes him "qualified" to wildly speculate on palace intrigue?

Look at "Morning" Joe praising Joe Biden as a plausible nominee as if trying to convince himself he hasn't been mad since the Clinton impeachment

eric garland has suggested that BLM and events like Ferguson were wholly Russian organized.

― Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), 14. marts 2018 20:10 (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm not sure this is true, though? I read the thread, not just the one tweet everyone shared, and he seemed to be speculating local right-wing politicians let it happen. Or is it something else, I would not be particularly surprised.

The fact of how and why you read him hasn't stopped you from droning on about his supposedly impressive expertise.

― Simon H., Wednesday, March 14, 2018 7:07 PM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I haven't referred to his "impressive expertise," I've suggested that he has more relevant expertise as to the matter in contention - online psy-ops - than this particular critic. I had to look up both for purposes of making that determination, but research confirmed that he's one of many such who are so relatively lacking, and with interested-party ties that he does not disclose.

Aside, do you have an explanation as to why exit polls indicate that 5% of black men in Florida voted for Jill Stein, more than the percentage of whites who did so in that state or IA, WI, MI, PA, or NH?

when the psy-ops are online

eric garland has suggested that BLM and events like Ferguson were wholly Russian organized.

― Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), 14. marts 2018 20:10 (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm not sure this is true, though? I read the thread, not just the one tweet everyone shared, and he seemed to be speculating local right-wing politicians let it happen. Or is it something else, I would not be particularly surprised.

― Frederik B, Wednesday, March 14, 2018 12:24 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this was tainted with russomadness too. this situation surely "wouldn't be allowed to happen" by the prominent and rich people of the surrounding community if they were not unduly influenced by republican/russian pressure to not intervene in the situation

Yeah, sounds like him.

More generally I have seen the tactic of using any intimation of russian support or influence to imply that the subject of that support is per se tainted/dirty. A highly educated facebook friend of mine, a grown woman who is a partner in a law firm, keeps posting about how people who voted for Bernie "supported a guy who was backed by an enemy of the U.S." and that sort of thing.

Yeah. You see that as well in the Sally Albright story.

Btw, the 538 Emergency Podcast on Conor Lamb is really good. Says for instance that the generic congressional ballot might be underestimating Dem enthusiasm.

Nate Silver explains it here: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-enthusiasm-gap-could-turn-a-democratic-wave-into-a-tsunami/

Just want to say that I feel really dumb for not getting the Moo Vaughn / moveon.org connection until someone else pointed it out

At the Presidential level, the Democrats should have two primary electoral concerns:

1. Restore the interest of mostly non-white and/or young voters who were energized by the candidacy of a partly-African-American Gen-X'er but not by several white Baby Boomers without facility in those communities who preceded or followed him

2. Restore the confidence of more frequent and mostly white, middle-american, and middle-aged-to-older voters who are unbeholden to party or even ideology but driven by an interest in improving their material and corporeal well-being that does not necessarily translate to either specific substantive policy preferences or even a general interest in direct receipt of government assistance

Both of these certainly have something to do with various sorts of policy, but I don't believe either has as much to do with the identity/tone/emphasis/style of the candidate, especially to the degree that the two concerns may increasingly be perceived as in opposition to one another to the degree that a candidate becomes more specific in response to them.

Says for instance that the generic congressional ballot might be underestimating Dem enthusiasm.

― Frederik B, Wednesday, March 14, 2018 7:58 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I've been thinking that for some time, at least to the degree one is referring to the average of the generic margin - the deviations to the high end show where there's a good chance that things may go over time.

gabbneb thinks that masha gessen is secretly on putin's payroll because she's russian, makes so much sense that he's also an eric garland fan

(rendered semi-incoherent by reworking but was attempting to say that I think identity/tone etc. are bigger drivers of presidential vote than policy positions)

Looks like the Detroit Free Press is no longer standing by their original title, calling #Progressives in the Democratic party the "Taliban wing." They're now "Fratricidal Democrats." #BankLobbyistAct pic.twitter.com/PE32JGKpFC

— Jeremy Chopp (@jeremychopp) March 15, 2018

1. Restore the interest of mostly non-white and/or young voters who were energized by the candidacy of a partly-African-American Gen-X'er

this is a really cool way to refer to obama

i'm younger than Obama and i am no Gen X-er

so basic math is among neb's many failures

well yeah, i mean obama is a late baby boomer but it was "partly-African-American" that i was balking at

and that hyphen after "partly"

Yes, I should have called him a Generation Joneser, with cross-appeal to boomers and X'ers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Jones

Barack Obama II is of Luo, English, German, Irish, Scottish, Swiss, and Welsh ancestry

We are not often thankful enough of your demographic prowess.

We are not often thankful enough of your demographic prowess.