Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

putting the legalese ahead of the emotional appeal is, uh, jumping the gun (plz forget I said that).

this is more or less what I'm trying to get at. go with the terms that resonate with people, adapt as required later

Obamacare isn't technically called that but people are plenty energized for and against

I regret this derail, should have taken it to the Gun Control thread, going there now

I'm likely to refer colloquially to a thing in a casual conversation that I'd refer to with more rigor and specificity in a more formal context. As such, I'm cool with continuing to call all these shits 'murder machines' itt.

In casual conversation I don’t think it matters. But in talking about policy, starting with “semi-automatic” leapfrogs the insipid “there’s no such thing as an assault weapon” nonsense.

eh, if someone throws up some “there’s no such thing as an assault weapon” nonsense, then "semi-automatic" is just fine to be your second move.

Your next step after that is to play "Closing Time" by Semisonic. That'll shut them them DOWN.

I am desperate for a pollster to ask Republicans if they think Parkland was a false flag and the teens are crisis actors. I would bet so much that it’s over 50%.

— Virgil Texas (@virgiltexas) February 27, 2018

In casual conversation I don’t think it matters. But in talking about policy, starting with “semi-automatic” leapfrogs the insipid “there’s no such thing as an assault weapon” nonsense.

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, February 27, 2018 3:19 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

agree on both points

There are countries with high gun ownership, including of semi-automatic rifles, and low gun violence. This is a solved problem. Gun ownership licensing, requiring a witness to character and thorough background check.

American gun owners of Reddit who have moved to a country with strict gun-control, what has this been like, what are the differences?

American living in New Zealand. For the most part it’s no different, with some very notable exceptions.

When you get a firearms license here it actually means something. It’s good for 10 years and specifies what class of firearm you can own. The license requires a background check and interview. Someone came to my home, asked me, my partner and a witness questions about my character. Any answer they don’t like, likely results in no issue of license. For example, if I’m violent, use drugs, etc. But that’s it. From application to issues it took 2 months. After that I can own / use anything in my class. And I don’t pay DROS fees or wait every time I want to buy a gun.

Shooting here is pretty similar to North America. Ranges, public land etc. Hunting is big, so is competitive shooting.

So called ‘assault rifles’ are legal here just like the US. You can get a semi automatic AR here and as long as it has a legal magazine it’s considered a basic class A. You can also get silencers here. In some respects I feel it’s more liberal than the US.

when ur totally not getting owned by teens pic.twitter.com/CBJnbUzDt4

— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) February 28, 2018

lol @ li'l marco trying to zing both Trump and angry shooting victims there

BREAKING: Police in Georgia respond to shots fired at high school and have taken a teacher into custody; no children hurt.

— The Associated Press (@AP) February 28, 2018

arm the students

Lunch lady with a rifle could’ve stopped this

arm the students, arm the teachers, let God sort em out

arm god

Wish Christians would stop fucking saying “Jude[ o ]-Christian”, don’t use us as a fig leaf for your bigotry

abolish schools

Abra-Goin' Ham-ic religions

think this teacher didn't understand how Trump's bonus was intended to work

countdown to cries of "crisis actor paid by liberals to weaken the NRA's position" in 5, 4, 3, 2....

already seen FALSE FLAG tweets about it

Lol there’s no countdown that was the immediate reaction

I don't know if we are here because of something we did, or if whoever is in charge of everything just hates us for no reason. maybe there's something even worse coming after this, i dont know. but we are all definitely in hell right now. this is hell. pic.twitter.com/feBJlFmYgl

— jesse farrar (@BronzeHammer) February 28, 2018

http://www.thinkingcinema.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Reservoir-Dogs-Standoff.png

an absolute mortal lock that this shooting is deemed a false flag by progressives intending to undermine the argument that we should arm teachers

checking in on the deranged

Worshippers clutching AR-15 rifles and some wearing bullet crowns, participated in a commitment ceremony today at World Peace and Unification Sanctuary, in Newfoundland, Pa. The event led a nearby school to cancel classes for the day. Photos @jacquelinelarma pic.twitter.com/GXzrZeK41z

— AP Images (@AP_Images) February 28, 2018

are those...military personnel?

we are so fucked

whoever has been saying around here that America is a death cult has a comrade in me. I'm more convinced than ever that Christianity is as well.

The pastor of that Newfoundland church is the son of the Rev. Sun Myung Moon.

also owns a gun company

American evangelicals - still not too sure about Catholics or Jews but Moonies are cool

giving all this free press to the fucking moonies while every other outlet just reports them as “a church” is super annoying

meanwhile the democratic party sends me an email with the subject "I'm no stranger to handling a firearm, Katherine"

That sounds like a threat

it is

A good read.

giving all this free press to the fucking moonies while every other outlet just reports them as “a church” is super annoying

SERIOUSLY WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH EVERYONE

Police say a seventh-grader emerged from the bathroom of an Ohio school, ready to shoot students with a semi-automatic rifle. He then changed his mind, went back inside and killed himself. https://t.co/MXJmP6BXBL

— AP Eastern US (@APEastRegion) March 1, 2018

fuck.

god. 13 years old.

whoever has been saying around here that America is a death cult has a comrade in me. I'm more convinced than ever that Christianity is as well.

― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion)

anybody who doesn't think christianity is an apocalyptic death cult hasn't read the christian scriptures

fortunately for everybody that category seems to include most christians

"and i noticed in the most difficult times in my life there was only one set of footsteps in the sand, and i asked jesus about this, and he opened his mouth to speak, but a flaming sword shot out and killed everybody"

are Moonies Christian?

no

Sure they are Christian, in the sense that they believe moon is the second coming of Christ.

About as Christian as Mormons, who seem pretty well accepted by American Protestants now.

that's the thing about christianity, nobody can say with any certainty that anybody isn't a "real" christian. every christian is a fake christian.

the moonies are a cult and the only reason anyone calls them a church is because they made a fuckload of money and peddled their influence to media organizations in the 80's and 90's