Democratic (Party) Direction

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support incremental progress, get incremental votes

yeah idg the excitement over a guy who mostly votes with the enemy, and I also don't see a reason folks won't just change brands as soon as there's a non pedo repub to vote for. unless of course he marked a substantive change at some point later on...

I also don't see a reason folks won't just change brands as soon as there's a non pedo repub to vote for.


Yeah, I agree with this. He’s going to be gone in the next election. He might as well vote like a democrat while he’s there imo, but I guess the strategy will be to try to become a new manchin/mccaskill. Good luck with that.

The really close healthcare vote (with life and death stakes for all the people calling and protesting for weeks) wasn’t that long ago. If it that happened much longer ago I could see the “but Jones isn’t progressive enough” position as it would be harder to imagine these minority party holding the line situations. Jones in that seat would have made McCain’s fluke vote unnecessary.

yeah idg the excitement over a guy who mostly votes with the enemy

you don’t have a womb or receive Medicaid either iirc

https://wtop.com/national/2018/02/california-democratic-party-isnt-endorsing-sen-feinstein/

also about time

Yeah, I agree with this. He’s going to be gone in the next election.

He's got until 2020 to establish some kind of record that may make him palatable back home while still being in good graces with the national party. It's kind of fascinating to see what happens, imo.

good on Cali Dems.

don't they do that to feinstein every time?

Apparently not.

you don’t have a womb or receive Medicaid either iirc

aaaand that's two

any Oklahomans in the house

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/43644-could-a-berniecrat-running-on-marijuana-reform-become-the-first-black-woman-governor

If I had to guess, Stacey Abrams will win the job in GA before Connie Johnson would in OK, but I'd be ecstatic about both.

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As someone who was born in Alabama and lived there my first 24 years of life, and has continued to bounce around the southeast, I am telling you that dog won't hunt.

― Johnny Fever

i lived in indiana for ten years and kentucky for ten years, and while i can't speak to alabama, as concerns indiana and kentucky i say go for the progressive's wet dream.

sorry about your parents. i've had to declare relatives dead to me myself.

There aren't anyone up for election in Kentucky, and Indiana already has a Democrat incumbent. Really, if progressive candidates can win every where, why not show it in Wyoming or Mississippi? Everyone would be absolutely ecstatic.

rmdemeyes

― Planck Blather (darraghmac), Saturday, February 24, 2018 11:34 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is v good

fred this this isn't about ELECTORAL STRATEGY, this is about somebody (one of many, many people) whose parents have gone deranged. i don't know about you but i love my parents, they raised me, and you know seeing your parents voter for pederasts because "abortion" is fairly painful. worse still is that if "abortion" was ever, as an issue, separable from white identity politics, it isn't now; the two statements basically need to be interpreted as synonymous.

insofar as an argument for progressivism can be made here, my argument would be that in age of identity politics (on both sides), little things like "policy" no longer matter, or at least no longer matter as much as personal charisma, because the persuadable electorate are not knowledgable and do not make their decisions on such a basis. in 2016 part of clinton's appeal to voters like me was that her command of logistics in "GOTV" efforts more than counterbalanced her stunning lack of personal likability. i think it's time to test an alternate hypothesis, and given the rapidly degenerating nature of the american state i think it is urgent to test that hypothesis as quickly and widely as possible.

i suspect, at this point, that the people who are arguing against progressive candidates, or who are arguing for the "strategic" deployment of them as if they were some sort of limited resource, are doing so because they do not actually support progressive politics (though in your case, i don't believe this - i think you're just a cloudcuckoolander who believes that elections can be won or lost on a purely theoretical basis).

I must admit, I don't get what you're writing at all. I argue for running progressive candidates in Wyoming and Mississippi, don't you agree?

But why would progressive candidates be more likely to have personal charisma?

I mean isn't this just an argument to forget about ideology and just support candidates you think have that "spark"?

All I care about is depriving republicans (or any party to their right, if that is even imaginable) of their wins. I will support whatever candidate, centrist, communist, whatever, that I think can defeat them and push back fascism

i suspect, at this point, that the people who are arguing against progressive candidates, or who are arguing for the "strategic" deployment of them as if they were some sort of limited resource, are doing so because they do not actually support progressive politics

That's not the case for me. I'd love to push the US as far left as it can go before it breaks. But I also understand that there's a deep deep DEEP tribalism at play and sometimes the best you can do is get a pro choice senator in Alabama.

I mean isn't this just an argument to forget about ideology and just support candidates you think have that "spark"?

― Guayaquil (eephus!)

yes! if the primary is between a deeply charismatic and likeable centrist and a deeply unlikeable "progressive", and the general is going to be even remotely competitive, the centrist is the best choice. alternately, the argument is that no matter how politically knowledgable or skilled you are, if people don't like you, don't fuckin' run. find somebody people like and convince them to run instead. puppet them if you have to.

how often do deeply unlikeable progressives get anywhere in politics

They're likable enough.

generally speaking, they're the ones who HAVE to be exceptionally charismatic or likeable (or at least have a certain folksy je ne sais quoi) to get anywhere in the first place

"unlikable" and "get anywhere" both in the eye of the beholder but i can think of progressives who to my mind fulfill both conditions one of whom is in charge of a major uk party even

Idk how you can watch the video of Corbyn putting the (horrible) UK media on notice and not like him but as you say, eye of the beholder

I find HRC likeable as a personality tbh.

Likeable or not, not a progressive. (Not gonna let myself get pulled into relitigating that one.)

It was a response to this, not a suggestion of a likeable progressive:

in 2016 part of clinton's appeal to voters like me was that her command of logistics in "GOTV" efforts more than counterbalanced her stunning lack of personal likability.

If anything, I might be less convinced of her command of GOTV logistics.

yeah i am convinced of the opposite that in fact her logistical abilities were highly overrated and ultimately as an organizational manager she was a total failure

what about new states of being, ecstatic self whatevers

how'd she do there

Andrew WK 2020

It was a response to this, not a suggestion of a likeable progressive

ahh kk

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very important to tweet out fundraising flyers from 2013

oh shit, i bet this year's Schiff event is outta my price range

no signs of a beyonce tour tho

Schiff is drawing the ire of the worst left twitter accounts right now because he’s visibly going after the fascist President. Very normal.

Every time I see Schiff on TV he impresses me with his clarity and ability to speak in sentences. He hasn't struck me as a warmonger – he strikes me as a guy who might've been an obscure congressman had not this moment come.

I don't know his other positions.

Every time I see Schiff on TV he impresses me with his clarity and ability to speak in sentences.

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, February 28, 2018 5:09 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I've always been struck by the same. I don't think it makes for political salability, but it does or should make for spectrum-wide credibility and is a sign of a good prosecutor.

Schiff is drawing the ire of the worst left twitter accounts right now because he’s visibly going after the fascist President. Very normal.

lmao have you ever met tankie twitter cause they're definitely worse

when Fidel died I got a taste of tankie Twitter

anyway i'll take hyperskepticism over the Mueller swooning any day

False binary.

XXpost yeah, that’s definitely true. I use to follow an account that collected bad talkie tweets.