the TWIN PEAKS: THE RETURN non-plot-specific summing-up thread

lol

"it's about the notes they don't play, the lines they don't say, the plot lines they don't resolve"

My advice is do NOT binge watch TPTR. It thrives on pauses between utterances. No more than 2 episodes a day imo

agreed

Sherilyn Fenn should be cast in the Dianne Feinstein bio pic.

I finished it! It irritated the hell out of me for the tortuous middle stretch (Episode Nine + three or so). The last two episodes moved me more than expected, and I'm not a Lynch fan who gives much of a shit about the original show, nor did I re-watch to remember (I've never seen the second season, for example. I love Fire Walk With Me fwiw.

oh boy you've gotta see the second season finale. honestly you can watch it in isolation & get along fine if you don't want to (understandably) go thru all of that very uneven season. i think it's the best thing Lynch has ever done.

(Episode Nine + three or so)

might agree that 9-10's the dip but 11 is great ("keep your blood", turkey jerky, "...you're not gonna tell me what she said?!") and tho the cherry pie is the most defiantly dreamlogiced thing in the show i love 11 for "mr. jackpots, thank you again!" "thank you... again"

sorry, first one there should be 12

oh boy you've gotta see the second season finale. honestly you can watch it in isolation & get along fine if you don't want to (understandably) go thru all of that very uneven season. i think it's the best thing Lynch has ever done.

otm, if you were to watch just one thing lynch has ever done, the back half of the final s2 twin peaks episode would have to be it. unparalleled and properly haunting.

yes, that and the amazing episode 8 of the return, and I'd maybe even throw in the final episode of the return...among the best bits of Lynche's oeuvre

I admire Episode 8 and never want to watch it again.

I'm not a Lynch fan who gives much of a shit about the original show

fp bait

cross out "not"

You're a lynch fan who gives much of a shit about the original show?

I should poll my replies

This thread reminded me that I saw three or four episodes of nu-Peaks and then forgot to continue with it (which is to say, was not compelled). A lot of you folks like it, though, and I had a neighbor loudly sing its praises at length last summer, so maybe I'll dive in again. It brought to mind the cast of Twin Peaks dropped into the middle of a Phantasm miniseries.

i never know which twin peaks S3 thread to revive. anyway this is silly but fun

Where do you fall in this #TwinPeaks alignment chart? pic.twitter.com/YyupEvEBmm

— Kyle MacLachlan (@Kyle_MacLachlan) June 15, 2018

Mr. C is not lawful wtf

yeah, they kind of stretched it with that one. i guess, that compared to doppelcooper and booper (their terms not mine) he's more lawful, more inclined to sort of blend into society, enough to get a table at a diner and shit like that.

laughed today remembering that scene where Cole calls Truman and when Cole shouts into the phone, Truman pulls the wrong end of the phone away.

Sad about Robert Forster. I know the cast was old but I never would have imagined there would have been so many deaths already.

Don't discount the possibility that the script may be cursed.

They discovered something inside the story

Twin Peaks Season 4 cast changes

Frank Silva ... Stock footage
Michael J. Anderson ... A cartoon talking dead tree
Michael Ontkean ... Robert Forster
Robert Forster ... John Saxon's voice through a walkie talkie
David Bowie ... An enormous coffee pot
Don S. Davis ... A cardboard cutout
Miguel Ferrer ... A sarcastic elk who only appears as a reflection in a coffee cup
Warren Frost ... An old light bulb that's somehow been burning for over 100 years
Harry Dean Stanton ... Some dried acadia leaves in a velvet bag
Jack Nance ... A fish in a percolator
Frances Bay ... A wistful sigh of regret
Jimmy Scott ... The desiccated corpse of Jimmy Scott
Peggy Lipton ... Clarence Williams III
Catherine Coulson ... Moira Kelly

would watch

Left off with episode 8 a year-plus ago. Probably do 8 & 9 this weekend. It's now or neverrrrr….

Do it!!!

of course I barely know who some characters are now

takeaway from 2nd look at "Gotta Light?" is NIN is still boring

eps 9 & 10 were p weird and grim, save for Dougie-Janey sex scene

weird and grim is the prevailing twin peaks season 3 mood

psyched for you to finish morbs

if only to know your thoughts on the last episode

Yeah, 'weird + grim' pretty otm as descriptor of The Return. Not sure I'd be up to watching it at this particular moment, tbrr.

that dougie-janey sex scene is one of the strangely uplifting sex scenes i can think of

well I meant weird as in even more narrative stasis than usual, not Lynchweird

also, only Lynch-related but not specifically for The Return (sorry), but i watched Todd Hayne's Safe the other night and was struck by how it seems to be both influenced BY Lynch (esp with certain close-ups of flowers and neighborhoods looking like Blue Velvet) and also an influence ON Lynch (the front of the car highway shots at the beginning of 1995's Safe (Lost Highway in 1997, and Mulholland Drive a couple years later); the shots of mansions up on a hill (also in Mulholland Drive). not just the subject matter of those things, but also the cinematography. The highway scenes, especially, made me think "Lynch MUST have seen this"

When I watched the dead don’t die I had the strong impression that it was the first major post-tptr work, & was vindicated to see an interview with jj where he praised it & said something like “why isn’t lynch given as much money as he wants to do whatever he wants”

It isn’t just you, doc, the four episodes after part 8 are def seen as weird and static by a lot of people. I adore this stretch obv (esp part 12)

I think Wild at Heart also has the road shots, which was before Safe. He uses that a lot.

While stuck at home I’ve rewatched all things Lynch, even the commercials and *shudder* the Duran Duran movie. The Return holds up well, even if it sometimes works better as a collection of Lynchisms than a coherent narrative. It helps to know that a lot of minor subplots won’t resolve and that it doesn’t really matter who Billy is. I love the last episode maybe more than Got A Light? Still not sure about the green glove bit.

I started reading the screenplay to Ronnie Rocket, and interestingly enough it features a character who is transformed through vague electrical “magic” into a passive character who repeats back what others say, like Dougie.

psyched for you to finish morbs

will try to finish b4 i'm finished, could be tough with 2019 film poll also comin' up

u guys are killin' me, no really

I see by a search i'm not the first to point this out (Reddit), but Cooper in eps 17-18 could've learned from Harlan Ellison's "City on the Edge of Forever" Star Trek episode that you can't fix history.

There's a sort of just (if grim) comeuppance in Cooper learning this, bcz I never accepted the character's face-value heroism as many seem to, with his annoyingly sunny "give yourself a present" Boy Scout shit.

Have to admit I was hoping "Richard and Linda" would result in a Thompsons music cue.

"My dreams have withered and died" would have been a little too on the money.

https://www.avclub.com/paul-giamatti-twin-peaks-the-return-1851072447

lynch wanted paul giamatti to play one of the mitchum brothers but they couldn't make the scheduling work

OTOH Jim Belushi's casting really added to the uncanny not-rightness of the Dougie sections

Green glove kid is the only casting that bugs me. The entire green glove thing bugs me. Am I remembering right that Pete was going to wear the green glove but it was reworked because Jack Nance died?

I'm still saving the last two episodes to watch. I enjoyed it so much I couldn't bear to watch the last ones.

And now I've forgotten it all so I'll have to watch the whole thing if I want to finish it.

it might not make the difference you are presuming tbh

Green glove kid is the only casting that bugs me. The entire green glove thing bugs me. Am I remembering right that Pete was going to wear the green glove but it was reworked because Jack Nance died?

yeah was kinda daft, but didn't "Pete" die at the end of the original series?

I think lynch said the green glove stemmed from an idea he had for jack nance back in the day, not for twin peaks specifically (nance died over a decade before the return had even been conceived)

There was a cutaway & an explosion in the original finale — it was a cliffhanger! — but had nance been alive in 2014 I’m 100% sure he would have been in it one way or another