Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

I like the kids refusing to go back to school in protest. If that really caught on it could get something done.

they're talking about walk outs on 3/14 and 4/20

obviously i can't walk out, but i'm down to do a teach-in

xxpost My elementary school principal was fired when it was discovered he kept a gun in his desk. These days he'd be an American hero.

I’d do a teach-in too. Are there resources / suggested content?

and 4/20

this is like the left/liberal versh of the war on christmas.

??? it's because of Columbine

as a guy who actually lived 3 miles from columbine when it HAPPENED, that is not the primary meaning to 4/20 to me but ok.

I grant that the optics may not be the best, but I think the symbolism has value

one of the twitter coordinating this has already been asked about the 4/20 thing and replied something like "we are aware of the significance of this date but this is the goddamn day it's happening" albeit more politely

The walk-outs/lie downs are just for 17 minutes, or at least are supposed to. I'm talking about a few of the FL kids who say they're not going back to school, full stop, until there are new laws.

nah u right i hear that, the lesson is way bigger than optics. xp

Headline in my local paper: Growing support for national student walkouts. Trust me, you don't want to read the comments from right wing loons who are sure it's just an excuse to skip school. The vitriol is ridiculous, more so since for as little credit as they give these kids, they'd easily give them an AR-15.

not to mention the internet sewers trafficking in false flag narratives as they seem to do with ever increasing frequency

But it did/has. There are no more cigarette machines and the age to buy (and taxes) keeps creeping up.

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, February 20, 2018 12:55 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

cigarette machines aren't "gone", just there are less of them because they're banned in establishments where people younger than 18 are allowed in. the bar near me in Sanford still has one cos you have to be 18 or older to enter.

Likewise, the federal minimum age to purchase tobacco is still 18 and though many indeed have increased the age, many states (like mine) have kept the tobacco purchase age at 18. smoking is declining nationwide but 258 billion cigarettes were still sold in the US in 2016. and it's hard to tell how much of the decline is the rising costs/regulations or the rise of popularity of vaping.

Retweeted TOᑭ ᖇOᑭE TᖇAViS (@TopRopeTravis):

#BREAKING: The entire student body of West Boca High School just walked out and are heading towards Stoneman Douglas High School. Other schools in the area are doing the same.

ace, keep it up kids

fuckin' a

BREAKING: President Trump says he’s directed AG Sessions to clarify if bump stocks are illegal and to propose regulations to “ban all devices that turn legal weapons into machine guns.” pic.twitter.com/cnZ2mc08TF

— NBC News (@NBCNews) February 20, 2018

that's sweet, go kids (be safe) xp

Right on

awesome

But it did/has. There are no more cigarette machines and the age to buy (and taxes) keeps creeping up.

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, February 20, 2018 12:55 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

cigarette machines aren't "gone", just there are less of them because they're banned in establishments where people younger than 18 are allowed in. the bar near me in Sanford still has one cos you have to be 18 or older to enter.

Likewise, the federal minimum age to purchase tobacco is still 18 and though many indeed have increased the age, many states (like mine) have kept the tobacco purchase age at 18. smoking is declining nationwide but 258 billion cigarettes were still sold in the US in 2016. and it's hard to tell how much of the decline is the rising costs/regulations or the rise of popularity of vaping.

― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, February 20, 2018 3:00 PM (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i have no seen a cigarette machine in 10 years at least

smoking was in decline WAY before vaping c'mon, i guess i don't know what argument you are trying to make so probably the ol' extremely useful "devil's advocate" role

oh man, it's been so long since I've seen a cigarette machine

come to think of it I still call the car charger the "cigarette lighter" even though it's been at least a decade since I've seen anyone light a cigarette with one

saw one in a bar three weeks ago.

THey're around, just uncommon.

In Florida you can still buy cigs at bars if the bar has a patio.

Alfred and Neanderthal are both from FL. Mystery of the extant cigarette machines solved probably.

could be...I'm from Wisconsin, we have lots of bars and we love to smoke, even if we have to stand in -5 degree weather

(btw, this is primarily the reason why I don't smoke - if you could smoke in bars still, I probably would have picked it up at some point)

this is from 1990 i'm sure they have to be banned at least in minneapolis if not statewide by now (the city was gonna ban menthol cigs a while back don't know if that went through)

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/04/05/us/minnesota-moves-to-curb-cigarette-machines.html

bars in Oregon have cig machines

saw somewhere that ~4 million current high school students will be eligible to vote in 2020

how do you pay?? amex?

(cig machines i mean)

cash

how do you pay?? amex?

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand),

you blow your dragon breath into the slot

p sure i saw a cigarette machine somewhere in new mexico recently, but it was the first I'd seen in close to a decade

BREAKING: MoCo Police located the following items in home of Clarksburg HS student who allegedly brought handgun to class last week:

•AR-15 style rifle
•Multiple grenades
•Detonator for C4 land mines
•Additional guns
•Tactical vest
•List of grievances re: students/school pic.twitter.com/oBo71QoFVH

— Kevin Lewis (@ABC7Kevin) February 20, 2018

great which local GOP congressman is going to give away C4 at their next fundraiser

this is the sort of thing that church was supposed to deal with, that and desperate alcoholism and tainted food. GET ON THE CASE EVANGELICALS

i mean i'm sorry wtf are you for, if you are a religion in america and you are not addressing the spiritual disconnect that underlies school shootings, oxycontin and trumpism

blaming shit on the gays and the hippies and modernity while doing absolutely fuckin nothin

Oh, is that what xtian religious leaders are supposed to do!? I thought they were just supposed to unquestioningly support whatever leaders oppose abortion! Huh! Weird!

you can put all the blame on "degradation of society" or w/e and STILL think gun control is a good idea! I mean they should sort of go hand in hand right? Like "while we wait for society to turn back to the Lord, let's try to keep these immoral heathens away from guns".

smoking was in decline WAY before vaping c'mon, i guess i don't know what argument you are trying to make so probably the ol' extremely useful "devil's advocate" role

― It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, February 20, 2018 4:21 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

jesus fuck, dude, the point I was making is that using the smoking restrictions in various states as well as the federal cigarette machine "ban" aren't a good analogy for gun control (even though I believe in the latter) and that I also doubt that the decline in the % of people who smoke (which has been consistent since 1965) had much to do with that (hell it actually increased in 2008).

but you have a boner for shitting on me lately so idk

gun control is a good idea, gun bans a better idea, and yet we'll still fight the same rhetoric for another ten years.

hoping the bump stock ban becomes a reality, it's not the be-all solution, but at least it's at least a needle move.....

just as gun laws would be a symbolic flag in the ground saying society as a whole does not approve of gun violence and those who love guns should at the least be stink-eyed, anti-smoking laws have effectively made smokers personas non-grata

I’d do a teach-in too. Are there resources / suggested content?

― rb (soda), Tuesday, February 20, 2018 1:59 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i teach this every year in my government class and i will teach it again march 14

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/nra-guns-second-amendment-106856

With all due respect, after years spent reading this sort of thing, what amendments "intend" has nothing to do with what empowered political movements can do. The Due Process and Equal Protection clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment didn't intend to protect homosexuals facing marriage discrimination yet those on my side made the more compelling legal argument that dovetailed with an evolving society.

I read Waldman's book several years ago -- terrific.

well, that's kind of the point. kids are going to hear messages about the 2nd amendment protecting the individual's right to own a firearm. we can teach them that is a modern interpretation that is different from its original intent. this is not to teach them that we ought to revert to the original interpretation, but that interpretations change with years of political organization and pressure. the message from the article is that the NRA, over the course of several decades, used activism to change how the courts see the 2nd amendment. we can do the same, only yknow in a direction that is not hellbent on social destruction.

xp to aimless

do you mean me?

oh pfft yeah