the alt-right

Kind of miss the days when the idiot's smart person was Stephen Fry

yeah feel bad for being mean about him now

Why do you guys hate Stephen Fry

anti-semitism iirc

I have nothing against stephen fry that I can recall

Wait, isn't he Jewish?

Who could we trust to interview Jordan Peterson in this damned country? Paul Mason? No.

― imago

ahhh! the french... champagne

Xp I think bg was joking that ppl don't like him because they are antisemitic

I think ppl dislike fry for smugness, overexposure & not being funny (this last arguably unfair as it hasn't been his job to be funny for decades), also he has said dumb shit things about women iirc

I don't think ppl dislike fry

and for being the darling of the centrist chattering class for like ever

Are there any homegrown comedians that UK ilxors can stand

Deems you don't think anybody dislikes fry?

history has vindicated the lex tbh

A COMEDIAN IS SOMEONE WHO TALKS IN EXCHANGE FOR APPROVING NOISES

— Bernie Thoughts (@berniethoughts) February 14, 2018

the lex was UK ILX’s favorite comedian until he tried out that routine about children in front of a bunch of uncles

lol don't those uncles are still sore & fragile

I don't think everybody dislikes fry and I don't think everybody likes fry I don't think that the tendency in any one relevant subgroup is strong enough to be remarkable

UK ilxors prob hate him the same way lj was outraged about cheap orange juice being available to the lower orders that time

Are there any homegrown comedians that UK ilxors can stand

Lisa McGee, Sharon Horgan, Graham Linehan..

Who, maybe, not much

Josie Long?

stewart lee obv

NV expertly cosplaying a begrudger there, foreigners take notes.

Linehan famously insufferable on twitter but I mean, twitter - can't front fr ted is classic

those three comedians all have something in common. Can't quite put my finger on it though...

channel 4 iirc

Linehan is way past his sell by date.

Stewart Lee is too Guardian for my liking. No trust there.

Josie Long is good at twitter. Never seen her stand up tho'.

Does Linehan perform comedy as well as write it?

He hasn't written it forever

Josie Long is still the most famous alumnus (alumna?) (oh you problematic Romans!) of the gifted and talented course I not only attended but now help to run - well, it's either her or a kid who ended up being one of the world's best beatboxers. I will outmatch them both one day obv when I write the text that defeats the entire alt-right

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reeps_One

here he is

incredibly lovely kid btw

fundamentalism doesn’t happen without men.

I like this.

can't spell fundamentalism without men iirc

And this.

Father Ted is great but Linehan's sitcom work has been steadily declining since then and yeah, bad and terfy on twitter. I still love Seinfeld too but wouldn't list the dude as amongst my fav comedians.

Stewart Lee isn't really Guardian, he had Guardiandom thrust upon him. His entirely sensible reaction has been to record a Free Jazz album and announce his retirement.

Josie Long is a an angel and a hero, I miss her Camden comedy nights something fierce. But she is also perky and optimistic, so it shouldn't surprise anyone you can find lots of hate for her in the ILX archives.

Frankie Boyle? Particularly after he got too woke to compare Becky Alsington’s face to a spoon any more.

The proverbial stopped clock iirc

Didn't know lee had announced his retirement!

He calls it a break not a retirement - but I'm still guessin' those Southbank tickets will seel out fast. Can totally understand it tho - someone who's made a living of being contrarian and abrasive gets to the stage where they're almost universally acclaimed, it's gotta fuck up the shtick to some extent.

http://www.chortle.co.uk/news/2018/01/31/39027/stewart_lee_to_take_a_break_from_stand-up

Well also he can maybe afford not to do it, and who wants to be doing standup in their 50s

Also run out of material about kids' TV and driving on the motorway

the alt-right

shocking, I know

So Jordan Peterson admits that he has been accused "three times during (his) career of sexual impropriety."

That explains a lot of his views & behaviour. pic.twitter.com/l9IsYHgAyg

— Sacha Saeen (@_Saeen_) February 17, 2018

Good news everyone

Slavoj Žižek says that Jordan Peterson is a conspiracy theorist and accepts his invitation to debate, choosing New York City in October. https://t.co/pDhg1c7Ec0

— Jack Smith IV (@JackSmithIV) February 19, 2018

Hell yes

stoked for the madness

(what are the chances peterson is gonna end up disgraced and abandoned by october tho)

Totally disagree with ppl itt saying that Peterson isn't worth serious critique or debate. that kind of intellectual/cultural elitism only emboldens Peterson and makes his audience grow. glad that Zizek is going to debate him. I thought his column about the lack of critique from the left and the lack of a defense beyond a patronizing "it's self evident" from the left was otm.

peterson isn't worth of debate and it's not due to elitism - he's a tenured professor at U of T and now best-selling author, he is the elite - it's that his ideas aren't worth engaging with and it's best not to give him the oxygen of publicity

zizek is an entertainer and troll as much as a thinker so it makes sense for his brand

whatever you think of his ideas, he needs to be engaged because of the audience he's garnering: very impressionable and seemingly more open-minded to criticism than fans of other explicitly alt right figures. Zizek is the perfect person to do it precisely for the reasons you stated

if they debate and zizek hands his ass to him, it will do nothing to dissuade or deter peterson's fans who will maintain that he crushed zizek with logic