the alt-right

darragh can turn a phrase

ogmor makes a good case for Brand - its hard not to feel cynical about his motives at the same time though

my feelings on Brand kind of vacillate wildly but I'm not against him going tete-a-tete with a walking alt-right meme so long as he bodies him

that C4 interview with Peterson was an absolute disaster on account of the dreadful interviewer who wasn't interested in calmly picking off the giant holes in Peterson's arguments. how many times: show, don't tell

Whoever commissioned that interview should be shot.

yep. C4 knew what it was doing and knew what would happen

Whatever you think of Brand's "don't vote" position surely it's hard to take seriously when after one interview with Miliband he decided "oh no actually vote labour" after the deadline to register had already expired?

Like I understand that there's something to learning and growing in public but that was just taking the piss.

Brand appeared with Ed before the election despite saying don't vote. I just wouldn't trust a thing he says. Xps Too erratic.

Who could we trust to interview Jordan Peterson in this damned country? Paul Mason? No. Marina Hyde? Yeah maybe, but she doesn't really do TV work

Maybe that Chakrabortty dude

Are there any homegrown comedians that UK ilxors can stand

Or maybe interviewing him in the first place is a lose-lose game, as SV has said before

We only like Stewart Lee and there's a guy called Kitson too but none of his stuff's online. Everyone else is awful (or something)

Does he even have a cult here? It's one thing to confront someone who's already popular, another to introduce new opponents to yr audience.

xpost imago otm afaict. As an immigrant I can never summon the hatred that only true Brits can feel for pretty much all of their celebrities but I will say seeing all these ppl appear on panel shows constantly and have their own dumb history shows on BBC4 has made me understand that rage a bit more

I like Sean Lock but I'm not a Brit

that Gary Younge guy made pretty short work of Spencer.

yeah because he actually examined what he said and showed it up for being bullshit - rather than most interviewers who encounter him by going OH NO YOU DIDNT

Are there any homegrown comedians that UK ilxors can stand

If you lived here you'd be the same. Does Russell Brand still consider himself a comedian?

Love how Mordy looked into worker run enterprises and inferred a whole little dystopia out of it. Are you writing this shit up as a novel Mordy where can I buy it?

Wtf are you talking about I said I didn’t think it could be a model for running an entire country where in your fevered idiot brain did that become a dystopia?

Guess I shouldn’t expect more from a tankie.

Tom D, it wasn’t a judgement. I’m sure I would be, or at least if I was native. I do think there’s something cultural to the general dislike of people who think they’re funny, that we aren’t brought up with over here.

I’m not sure who counts as a comedian these days. There are plenty of people who are generally famous for and make living by joking and clowning but don’t do stand up or act much.

I do think there’s something cultural to the general dislike of people who think they’re funny, that we aren’t brought up with over here.

Maybe you have funnier comedians.

i think they do

Maria Bamford and Gregg Turkington alone push them over the UK

None of the "big laughers" who risk serious hilarity induced self-harm by attending the Edinburgh Festival on ILX?

Comedians of a certain age (as most cultural journos) of a certain age have the usual garbage politics

Yeah practically none of them think Stalin was a pretty cool bro.

Calm down Mordy, lock yourself up in your room. Stay safe.

I don't think this is a comedian thing, really, Brit ILX opinions on British actors, directors, "cultural commentators" equally hostile. Not saying they're wrong mind.

Joanna Hogg is s good Brit director. ILX generally likes her.

I think it's the excess of ghastly comedy panel shows which really puts ILXors off British comedians, especially when they seem happy to share a laugh and a joke w/ despicable pols like Boris Johnson or Ruth Davidson - I'm right in thinking that these shows don't really exist in America?

Loads of good ILX-approved Brit directors

(xp) OTM, and these shitty, cheap to produce, panel shows need more and more of these talentless cunts to keep going.

darragh can turn a phrase

― treeship 2, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 12:40 (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

If I'd only Russell's (any Russell's) looks

tbh I have it when good ilxors fight about stuff as meaningless as leftist politics

http://www.motivatorcoach.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/bertrand-russell.jpg

ws russell morelike

Jack Russell you mean.

Rosalind Russell

As alluded to above, multiple pics here:

I can't even handle this, Jordan Peterson got upset by Zizek's recent article about him so he's trying to pick a fight with a Zizek quotes account pic.twitter.com/ul8e45d3fi

— Shuja Haider (@shujaxhaider) February 14, 2018

that is amazing

is it gauche to say that i know haider IRL? i have always though of him as a smart guy and good musician and he hooked me up with some crossword books one time; i find it totally delightful that he's becoming this big of an internet voice.

*so* gauche, strewth

He got targeted for some twitter bullshit a couple days ago, too

How does someone not know to look for the checkmark

his response to the incident was linked here a couple days ago

How does someone not know to look for the checkmark

― treeship 2, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 23:28 (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

How do u fail to work in a 'check' pun there treezy

How

https://t.co/Getu7acjd5 pic.twitter.com/Szgju4Bknq

— Jordan Peterson or Islamist Cleric? (@JBPorCleric) February 15, 2018

pic.twitter.com/41Y8nWLhqY

— Jordan Peterson or Islamist Cleric? (@JBPorCleric) February 15, 2018

Peterson is a mirror image of a conservative Islamic clerics—selling a vision of tradition and order to disaffected young men who’ve become disillusioned with liberalism. And as in that case, it really only becomes a serious problem if going down this road leads ones to more dangerous reactionaries—groups who see themselves not as critics, but as enemies of modern society. (Sub in “multicultural” for “western.”)

Were they ever illusioned with it

Probably as kids they liked their marilyn manson cassettes and JNCO jeans and tamagatchis and all the other treasures of our permissive society but then as adults they feel lost and so they decide to blame it on the Jezebel articles they used to read every so often in 2007. Tale as old as time.

Basically, fundamentalism doesn’t happen without men.