haha no i pulled "two" out of my ass and then just named the first 2 i could remember
― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 21:13 (fifteen years ago) link
aka i did what ive been doing on ILX for 3 years now
― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 21:14 (fifteen years ago) link
Part of being a commercial filmmaker is that you're going to mistake the public mood and make terrible movies on occasion. I don't hold Spielberg or Hitchcock's failures against them.
― Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 21:15 (fifteen years ago) link
bad boys 2 is pretty good if not the masterpiece that some other ilc mod claims but yah
u know whats a good movie is minority report
― Lamp, Tuesday, 19 May 2009 21:15 (fifteen years ago) link
mistaking the public mood seems to be an excuse for a film that flops rather than a bad film
― blair underwood: "man up" (omar little), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 21:17 (fifteen years ago) link
It's both too.
― Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 21:18 (fifteen years ago) link
how would it result in a bad film?
― blair underwood: "man up" (omar little), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 21:18 (fifteen years ago) link
minority report is good but has a kind of dum ending
― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 21:20 (fifteen years ago) link
"Nice poll idea. I can think of at least 10 Hitchcock films that totally suck, though."
Guy made like 50 though. He's entitled to a few stinkers. 10 seems high though.
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 19 May 2009 21:21 (fifteen years ago) link
There's plenty of bad films that flop!
― Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 21:21 (fifteen years ago) link
Hitch's: Torn Curtain, Topaz -- bad films and totally out of step with their respective release year's big films.
― Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 21:22 (fifteen years ago) link
Okay that's two.
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 19 May 2009 21:23 (fifteen years ago) link
He made nearly 20 movies before arriving at the original Man Who Knew Too Much and The 39 Steps, and most of them are no Rear Windows.
― neu hollywood (Eric H.), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 21:23 (fifteen years ago) link
i guess what i'm asking is why a film that misreads a commercial audience would = a bad film, unless you're saying certain hackish tendencies of both filmmakers (in angling for box office) ruin the film
― blair underwood: "man up" (omar little), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 21:23 (fifteen years ago) link
I never suggested a causal relationship, and sorry if I didn't make myself clear.
― Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 21:26 (fifteen years ago) link
xxp Sure sure and a lot of them are really dated, but sucks still seems harsh. There are some early gems there too.
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 19 May 2009 21:27 (fifteen years ago) link
i forgive you. this time!
― blair underwood: "man up" (omar little), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 21:27 (fifteen years ago) link
sucks still seems harsh
Unless you're talking about Spielberg, natch.
― neu hollywood (Eric H.), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 21:38 (fifteen years ago) link
even tho i love Marnie, i still think it kind of sucks
― Surmounter, Tuesday, 19 May 2009 21:40 (fifteen years ago) link
Nothing is too harsh when applied to Spielberg.
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 19 May 2009 21:40 (fifteen years ago) link
Marnie and Torn Curtain goofy, but entertaining enough to avoid being completely useless. Topaz and Family Plot suck. I've not seen all (or even most of) the pre-39 Steps flicks, but I recall Blackmail and Sabotage being worthwhile.
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 19 May 2009 21:44 (fifteen years ago) link
Add Jamaica Inn, The Paradine Case, Rope, I Confess, The Wrong Man to the suck list.
― Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 21:44 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm sure most of the silent films are pretty lame, but they are silent films so I have little expectation of greatness. It seems lame to count that against him.
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 19 May 2009 21:45 (fifteen years ago) link
I haven't seen Jamaica Inn, but the other four are all very watchable.
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 19 May 2009 21:46 (fifteen years ago) link
they are silent films so I have little expectation of greatness.
― Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 21:48 (fifteen years ago) link
Um, subtract The Wrong Man and I Confess from the suck list.
Also, Spielberg.
― neu hollywood (Eric H.), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 21:51 (fifteen years ago) link
Anyway I'm sure I've said this on other threads, but the main reason I dislike Spielberg so much is that he takes film subjects I'm ostensibly interested in and then proceeds to make movies I find immensely disappointing. If he just stuck to making crap I didn't care about at all, I might not be so harsh.
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 19 May 2009 21:55 (fifteen years ago) link
I understand your pain, being that there is a filmmaker in my life called Ang Lee.
― neu hollywood (Eric H.), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 21:57 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah he's another one who irritates me to no end.
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 19 May 2009 22:00 (fifteen years ago) link
Eastwood too.
ugh Ang Lee, I feel you on that one
― Tennis Bum (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 22:02 (fifteen years ago) link
Eastwood at least made some pretty great stuff pre-90s (none of which he directed, of course)
― Tennis Bum (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 22:03 (fifteen years ago) link
high plains drifter
― blair underwood: "man up" (omar little), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 22:03 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah I'm talking about as a director.
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 19 May 2009 22:04 (fifteen years ago) link
"minority report is good but has a kind of dum ending"
wha? this movie is not a movie; it is bad AT&T informercial about the future. In the future, your cereal will talk to you and The Gap will figure out what you want to wear before you do.
In its defense, the book ending is courageously bad, in that it would take amazing hero balls to film as written.
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 19 May 2009 22:42 (fifteen years ago) link
I never saw that Gary Sinise Imposter movie. Is it as crappy as it looked?
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 19 May 2009 22:45 (fifteen years ago) link
This thread went to shit in the last seven posts.
― Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 22:48 (fifteen years ago) link
Eric, I Confess?!? Hitch takes his cue from Monty Clift's somnolent performance.
― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:20 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
pretty much every Spielberg film of the last decade has a kind of dum ending.
many xposts - eyes rolled at Munich discussions on palestine/israel, but the assassinations were great and full of tension. plus after recently seeing the Baader Mienhof Complex, Munich is looking pretty good. Thought the ending was too much, but Zoller Seitz's Benjamin Button/Eric Roth video essay makes me want to see it again.
the short version of recent Spielberg: they all look amazing save Crystal Skull, which is pretty poorly directed imo, some are a lot of fun, most way overreach thematically.
― The Devil's Avocado (Gukbe), Wednesday, 20 May 2009 05:49 (fifteen years ago) link
i guess what i'm asking is why a film that misreads a commercial audience would = a bad film
you know it's ILX, right?
wau, confession of philistinism is new territory.
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 13:31 (fifteen years ago) link
"wau, confession of philistinism is new territory."
There are plenty of great silent films, but there are even more that are frankly completely dated and nearly impossible to watch. If that makes me a philistine then so be it.
― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 16:54 (fifteen years ago) link
minority report has an entirely indefensible last third or so. just atrocious. and the much-vaunted "futurism" in it is just ridiculous. like in the future we'll move around a megabyte or so of data on giant panes of glass.
― s1ocki, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 17:16 (fifteen years ago) link
The Roth Creative Screenwriting Podcast interview about Benjamin Button spends a few minutes talking about Munich. Alludes but never really gets into the tention between Roth (hawkish, proud Jew, "I get the humanitarian thing") and Spielberg, who apparently felt this duty as the most famous Jew in the world or something to do it right.
http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?i=50365436&id=77837603
― caek, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 17:20 (fifteen years ago) link
There are plenty of great silent films, but there are even more that are frankly completely dated and nearly impossible to watch.
― Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 May 2009 17:21 (fifteen years ago) link
i just cant figure out eric roth. love the insider, big munich fan, but "forrest gump" and "benjamin button" are such terrible, terrible scripts.
― s1ocki, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 17:22 (fifteen years ago) link
Sometimes it's good for your career to make a ton of money and get Oscar noms, and FG accomplished that goal.
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Wednesday, 20 May 2009 17:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Also made me hate his guts forever which is good for him too as a hawkish, proud jew who gets the "humanitarian" thing. What a fuckhead.
― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 17:32 (fifteen years ago) link
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Wednesday, May 20, 2009 5:24 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
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― s1ocki, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 17:40 (fifteen years ago) link
What?
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Wednesday, 20 May 2009 17:44 (fifteen years ago) link
Although apparently he lost all that money via Bernie Madoff so expect more FG level stuff in the future.
― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 17:44 (fifteen years ago) link