PHANTOM THREAD: Paul Tomas Anderson, Daniel Day-Lewis, Fifties London

I kind of wanted it to end at the point where he asks her to marry him and she hesitates and you see him panic

Interesting you should mention Lucien Freud, Jed- I think I spotted a picture of his in Woodcock's country pad...

In this New Statesman review, Ryan Gilbey claims DDL is doing an "excellent Dirk Bogarde impression" - can't really hear it myself?

https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/film/2018/01/phantom-thread-more-compilation-outstanding-scenes-great-movie

I watched Bogarde in King and Country last night, and I don't hear it... Certainly not the way DDL was doing John Huston's voice in TWBB.

A Very Hungry Boy

I am still processing this but one thing that bothered me was Julia Davis's line "I don't want to be racist, but …". I very much doubt anyone would use that phrase in 1950s London, certainly not about someone white! Also, I'm dubious that British marriage ceremonies included the line "you may now kiss the bride" back then.

Entrancing film. Really something. Watched it last night and thought about it all day today. Vicky Krieps is indeed excellent and it goes to show the predictable myopia of American award ceremonies that she was overlooked.

well she's not from here

Ah. Yeah. Touché!

Random question - is this a loud movie? I have tinnitus so I don't see as many movies as I used to, but kind of want to see this. I hated The Master and Inherent Vice (and the Sandler one, come to think of it), so I might be a sucker. But this looks interesting.

There's some very loud toast-scraping, but mostly quiet except for one (party) scene.

My general indifference towards the film aside, I thought it should have gotten an AA nomination for sound. All those little everyday sounds that drive DDL crazy--I share this hyper-sensitivity with him, and tinnitus with Chuck--were rendered bracingly and piercingly sharp throughout.

I hate the extra focus on foley sounds that the audio industry passes off as artistry, it's so fucking annoying and unnecessary, it's worse than teal and orange, make it stop.

There’s a genuine narrative purpose in this case

lmao

https://www.avclub.com/uwe-boll-accuses-paul-thomas-anderson-of-hiding-a-fuck-1822890557

I would never accuse him of hiding a fuck

Lol @ URL

At Cinerama in Seattle for my third viewing.

silby I was there too!

also G&G were in Mangal 2 when I went there

they're doing this w/ live orchestra in Brooklyn. $35, feh.

http://www.vulture.com/2018/02/for-the-hungry-boy-valentines-inspired-by-phantom-thread.html

ha they are great

The only review that makes me want to watch this:

https://blindfieldjournal.com/2018/02/09/fuck-off-to-back-where-you-came-from-notes-on-the-phantom-thread/

that's a really good review

See: designers, chefs, etc.

The masculine gentleman ‘artist’ appropriates the craft of proletarian women like his mother (sewing) and turns it into a private source of immense surplus-value in the production of aristocratic white femininity. This is a regime of value centrally predicated on the normative devaluation of most women: be they lower-class, ‘unladylike,’ fat, not fat enough, old, queer, unpretty, migrant, non-white or otherwise monstrous. This is my time, says Reynolds.

It's perceptive when it's not leaning on jargon.

I missed the whole Alma/Holocaust connection, hadn't heard or read anything about that.

You can always use google for jargon.

I agree with most of the arguments; it's that sentences like these are ungainly:

The Phantom Thread is a morbid depiction of social reproduction, where the gender division of labor appears as a toxic metabolism or circuit of necrotic value. The brutal poison of reification flows forth from Reynolds, attacking Alma’s body, and returns back again in the form of a deadly mushroom, penetrating Reynolds.

yeah no

I like the shapes you get into when the unfamiliar concepts are used. Leading to that last sentence.

Read it yesterday and iirc (and for someone who hasn't seen it) that bit is possibly the toughest xp

wtf

lol it definitely does seem like it's coming directly from the polar opposite of how you approach and enjoy movies, Veg!

I can appreciate a lot of approaches but there were a few passages in that review where I was thinking the interpretation of the film's narrative was being stretched a little far in service of the points being rationalized

does he get paid by the syllable or

*she

That's a good review although yeah that para reads like parody - haven't read any other reviews but are they really not touching on that stuff at all? I somehow don't believe that

I was instantly drawn in by until today I didn’t know who PT Anderson is

That review is glorious. I think the writer is aware of its academic excess, but keeps throwing those concepts out just b/c the review so readily lends itself to them. Her review has the same jaded sense of humor about itself as the film does.

there's an author bio on the 'about' page for the site if you're curious

Loved this - though I can see why some might gripe. I generally agree with David Cairns take on it https://dcairns.wordpress.com/2018/02/07/needling/

Ach, I can't believe I didn't consider the Hitchcock-Alma angle before...

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Few notes on third viewing of PHANTOM THEAD:

35mm is clearly the best viewing format for this. Less grain creates a bit more softness that gives it that late 1950s Eastmancolor that's more appropriate given the time period. (The intensity of the 70mm makes it a bit too 60s).

— Peter Labuza (@labuzamovies) February 15, 2018

Could go for a third viewing of this. Maybe I already posted this. But it’s sitting really well with me. And word of mouth is really great for it, hearing quotes from it regularly around town

The blindfield review is very interesting. I have a slight problem with the framing of it - that she saw it by accident, didn't know who this and that even were etc. It maaaay be true, of course, I just find it unlikely. Regardless of that, the review is perceptive and funny. I think it's more likely that she saw it because she thought it might be of use to illustrate an essay she had an inkling to write which, indeed, it did but it did so in ways that she didn't expect at all.

a friend tonight made a very good point by comparing the film to various Henry James stories. By halfway through she was convinced that she was completely in a Jamesian world - The Beast in the Jungle or The figure in the Carpet - the problem being that those James tales never give up their secrets, so that every detail (or clue) may be relevant to the solution that the reader devises or projects onto the story. If you release The Beast, as this film does, you risk exposing the scaffolding as being too flimsy to bear the weight of the conclusion or, conversely, too elaborate. If you don't provide the solution then no detail is extraneous or irrelevant, It just enriches the mystery.

Perhaps that's the point. That the film's conclusion just leaves a lot of dangling/phantom threads.

Totally got Jamesian Osmond/Merle vibes from Reynolds and Cyril.

deffo

has the colossal NYE party been discussed? that struck me as one of the most OTT moments (the extras/costumes alone) and i am not quite sure what to make of it. is this a typical NYE party for 1950s England?!

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera)

LL, came across this last year after a reference in some novel, several years up on yt:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAQ4Nis3Eyc

a friend tonight made a very good point by comparing the film to various Henry James stories. By halfway through she was convinced that she was completely in a Jamesian world - The Beast in the Jungle or The figure in the Carpet - the problem being that those James tales never give up their secret

yes OTM...I mean, the point of "The Figure in the Carpet" is that the protagonist never knows what the "figure" is (it's not a favorite of mine; I'm not a fan of his stories about writers and what we call now The Creative Process).

LL, came across this last year after a reference in some novel, several years up on yt:

― by the light of the burning Citroën, Friday, February 16, 2018 9:14 PM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

whoa thanks for posting this, incredible.