The voice was very similar. Also, LF was a maniac about breakfast, having exactly the same breakfast at exactly the same restaurant for two decades
Only two decades? Amateur.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47287000/jpg/_47287745_gilbert_george_afp.jpg
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 23:39 (six years ago) link
ah yes, but they are just actors!
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 23:40 (six years ago) link
Mixed about the film, but his PJs were fire.
― ... (Eazy), Thursday, 8 February 2018 01:29 (six years ago) link
I kind of wanted it to end at the point where he asks her to marry him and she hesitates and you see him panic
― i know kore-eda (or something), Thursday, 8 February 2018 09:59 (six years ago) link
Interesting you should mention Lucien Freud, Jed- I think I spotted a picture of his in Woodcock's country pad...
― Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Thursday, 8 February 2018 10:05 (six years ago) link
In this New Statesman review, Ryan Gilbey claims DDL is doing an "excellent Dirk Bogarde impression" - can't really hear it myself?
https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/film/2018/01/phantom-thread-more-compilation-outstanding-scenes-great-movie
― Agharta Christie (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 8 February 2018 14:48 (six years ago) link
I watched Bogarde in King and Country last night, and I don't hear it... Certainly not the way DDL was doing John Huston's voice in TWBB.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 February 2018 15:24 (six years ago) link
A Very Hungry Boy
― mh, Thursday, 8 February 2018 16:03 (six years ago) link
I am still processing this but one thing that bothered me was Julia Davis's line "I don't want to be racist, but …". I very much doubt anyone would use that phrase in 1950s London, certainly not about someone white! Also, I'm dubious that British marriage ceremonies included the line "you may now kiss the bride" back then.
― Alba, Friday, 9 February 2018 20:02 (six years ago) link
Entrancing film. Really something. Watched it last night and thought about it all day today. Vicky Krieps is indeed excellent and it goes to show the predictable myopia of American award ceremonies that she was overlooked.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 10 February 2018 03:34 (six years ago) link
well she's not from here
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 10 February 2018 07:14 (six years ago) link
Ah. Yeah. Touché!
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 10 February 2018 13:41 (six years ago) link
Random question - is this a loud movie? I have tinnitus so I don't see as many movies as I used to, but kind of want to see this. I hated The Master and Inherent Vice (and the Sandler one, come to think of it), so I might be a sucker. But this looks interesting.
― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 10 February 2018 13:47 (six years ago) link
There's some very loud toast-scraping, but mostly quiet except for one (party) scene.
― WilliamC, Saturday, 10 February 2018 13:53 (six years ago) link
My general indifference towards the film aside, I thought it should have gotten an AA nomination for sound. All those little everyday sounds that drive DDL crazy--I share this hyper-sensitivity with him, and tinnitus with Chuck--were rendered bracingly and piercingly sharp throughout.
― clemenza, Saturday, 10 February 2018 14:55 (six years ago) link
I hate the extra focus on foley sounds that the audio industry passes off as artistry, it's so fucking annoying and unnecessary, it's worse than teal and orange, make it stop.
― MaresNest, Saturday, 10 February 2018 16:43 (six years ago) link
There’s a genuine narrative purpose in this case
― direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Saturday, 10 February 2018 16:44 (six years ago) link
lmao
https://www.avclub.com/uwe-boll-accuses-paul-thomas-anderson-of-hiding-a-fuck-1822890557
― Simon H., Saturday, 10 February 2018 17:15 (six years ago) link
I would never accuse him of hiding a fuck
― flappy bird, Saturday, 10 February 2018 17:17 (six years ago) link
Lol @ URL
― Hi diddley dee, hen fapper's life for me (Neanderthal), Saturday, 10 February 2018 17:17 (six years ago) link
At Cinerama in Seattle for my third viewing.
― direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Sunday, 11 February 2018 20:28 (six years ago) link
silby I was there too!
also G&G were in Mangal 2 when I went there
― Haribo Hancock (sic), Monday, 12 February 2018 21:07 (six years ago) link
they're doing this w/ live orchestra in Brooklyn. $35, feh.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 February 2018 04:43 (six years ago) link
http://www.vulture.com/2018/02/for-the-hungry-boy-valentines-inspired-by-phantom-thread.html
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 February 2018 04:44 (six years ago) link
ha they are great
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 15 February 2018 04:49 (six years ago) link
The only review that makes me want to watch this:
https://blindfieldjournal.com/2018/02/09/fuck-off-to-back-where-you-came-from-notes-on-the-phantom-thread/
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 15 February 2018 09:21 (six years ago) link
that's a really good review
― while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Thursday, 15 February 2018 16:59 (six years ago) link
See: designers, chefs, etc.
The masculine gentleman ‘artist’ appropriates the craft of proletarian women like his mother (sewing) and turns it into a private source of immense surplus-value in the production of aristocratic white femininity. This is a regime of value centrally predicated on the normative devaluation of most women: be they lower-class, ‘unladylike,’ fat, not fat enough, old, queer, unpretty, migrant, non-white or otherwise monstrous. This is my time, says Reynolds.
― ... (Eazy), Thursday, 15 February 2018 17:12 (six years ago) link
It's perceptive when it's not leaning on jargon.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 February 2018 17:15 (six years ago) link
I missed the whole Alma/Holocaust connection, hadn't heard or read anything about that.
― ... (Eazy), Thursday, 15 February 2018 17:21 (six years ago) link
You can always use google for jargon.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 15 February 2018 17:23 (six years ago) link
I agree with most of the arguments; it's that sentences like these are ungainly:
The Phantom Thread is a morbid depiction of social reproduction, where the gender division of labor appears as a toxic metabolism or circuit of necrotic value. The brutal poison of reification flows forth from Reynolds, attacking Alma’s body, and returns back again in the form of a deadly mushroom, penetrating Reynolds.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 February 2018 17:26 (six years ago) link
yeah no
― Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Thursday, 15 February 2018 17:35 (six years ago) link
I like the shapes you get into when the unfamiliar concepts are used. Leading to that last sentence.
Read it yesterday and iirc (and for someone who hasn't seen it) that bit is possibly the toughest xp
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 15 February 2018 17:37 (six years ago) link
wtf
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 15 February 2018 17:42 (six years ago) link
lol it definitely does seem like it's coming directly from the polar opposite of how you approach and enjoy movies, Veg!
I can appreciate a lot of approaches but there were a few passages in that review where I was thinking the interpretation of the film's narrative was being stretched a little far in service of the points being rationalized
― mh, Thursday, 15 February 2018 18:13 (six years ago) link
does he get paid by the syllable or
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 15 February 2018 18:32 (six years ago) link
*she
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 15 February 2018 18:33 (six years ago) link
That's a good review although yeah that para reads like parody - haven't read any other reviews but are they really not touching on that stuff at all? I somehow don't believe that
― scrüt (wins), Thursday, 15 February 2018 18:53 (six years ago) link
I was instantly drawn in by until today I didn’t know who PT Anderson is
― mh, Thursday, 15 February 2018 19:23 (six years ago) link
That review is glorious. I think the writer is aware of its academic excess, but keeps throwing those concepts out just b/c the review so readily lends itself to them. Her review has the same jaded sense of humor about itself as the film does.
― Evan R, Thursday, 15 February 2018 22:58 (six years ago) link
there's an author bio on the 'about' page for the site if you're curious
― mh, Thursday, 15 February 2018 22:59 (six years ago) link
Loved this - though I can see why some might gripe. I generally agree with David Cairns take on it https://dcairns.wordpress.com/2018/02/07/needling/
― Stevie T, Friday, 16 February 2018 20:59 (six years ago) link
Ach, I can't believe I didn't consider the Hitchcock-Alma angle before...
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 February 2018 21:04 (six years ago) link
thread
Few notes on third viewing of PHANTOM THEAD:35mm is clearly the best viewing format for this. Less grain creates a bit more softness that gives it that late 1950s Eastmancolor that's more appropriate given the time period. (The intensity of the 70mm makes it a bit too 60s).— Peter Labuza (@labuzamovies) February 15, 2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 February 2018 21:48 (six years ago) link
Could go for a third viewing of this. Maybe I already posted this. But it’s sitting really well with me. And word of mouth is really great for it, hearing quotes from it regularly around town
― flappy bird, Friday, 16 February 2018 22:02 (six years ago) link
The blindfield review is very interesting. I have a slight problem with the framing of it - that she saw it by accident, didn't know who this and that even were etc. It maaaay be true, of course, I just find it unlikely. Regardless of that, the review is perceptive and funny. I think it's more likely that she saw it because she thought it might be of use to illustrate an essay she had an inkling to write which, indeed, it did but it did so in ways that she didn't expect at all.
a friend tonight made a very good point by comparing the film to various Henry James stories. By halfway through she was convinced that she was completely in a Jamesian world - The Beast in the Jungle or The figure in the Carpet - the problem being that those James tales never give up their secrets, so that every detail (or clue) may be relevant to the solution that the reader devises or projects onto the story. If you release The Beast, as this film does, you risk exposing the scaffolding as being too flimsy to bear the weight of the conclusion or, conversely, too elaborate. If you don't provide the solution then no detail is extraneous or irrelevant, It just enriches the mystery.
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Friday, 16 February 2018 22:22 (six years ago) link
Perhaps that's the point. That the film's conclusion just leaves a lot of dangling/phantom threads.
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Friday, 16 February 2018 22:27 (six years ago) link
Totally got Jamesian Osmond/Merle vibes from Reynolds and Cyril.
― Stevie T, Friday, 16 February 2018 22:49 (six years ago) link
deffo
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Friday, 16 February 2018 22:51 (six years ago) link