People have noticed that the Uma piece was relegated to the Opinion section, which strikes me as kind of awful. Does anyone know if it might serve as a way to provide legal cover? (It sounds dubious to me but it's the only justification I can think of.)
― Simon H., Saturday, 3 February 2018 23:04 (six years ago) link
probably because maureen dowd is normally an opinion writer?
― mookieproof, Saturday, 3 February 2018 23:05 (six years ago) link
I just looked up the Salma Hayek one and it's listed under Opinion too.
― Yerac, Saturday, 3 February 2018 23:07 (six years ago) link
Right, and the dodgy framing device is the quirk of a hacky opinion writer. So why assign her for a story that's not at all suited to be structured as an opinion piece? (I'm trying to figure out if it's poor editorial choices or a careful calculation of some kind. Probably the former.) xp
― Simon H., Saturday, 3 February 2018 23:09 (six years ago) link
Was an Opinion writer also assigned to the Hayek piece?
― Simon H., Saturday, 3 February 2018 23:10 (six years ago) link
it's also possible that UT selected the writer she wanted to work with
― mookieproof, Saturday, 3 February 2018 23:12 (six years ago) link
Salma Hayek and Sarah Polley had only their names on the byline. I was trying to think of other NYT's recent opinion pieces.
― Yerac, Saturday, 3 February 2018 23:15 (six years ago) link
Sure.
― Simon H., Saturday, 3 February 2018 23:16 (six years ago) link
Pretty sure the Lupita piece was her byline and in opinion as wellProb absolves NYT of libel lawsuits I guess?
― i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 3 February 2018 23:51 (six years ago) link
That's what I'm thinking, yeah.
― Simon H., Saturday, 3 February 2018 23:51 (six years ago) link
I'd be surprised if it mattered, but I'm not a lawyer
― k3vin k., Sunday, 4 February 2018 00:02 (six years ago) link
Regarding other criticism of the piece... does anyone know what Matt means here? I’ve seen other people criticize Dowd’s writing in the piece but don’t know why. Not being sarcastic, genuinely curious.
If Maureen Dowd were a film director, she'd be the kind that makes sure to include what she thinks is her "signature" even when it's grossly inappropriate to the subject. Uma Thurman's bravery deserved better than her gimmicks, though the power of the story ultimately won out.— MZS (@mattzollerseitz) February 3, 2018
― flappy bird, Sunday, 4 February 2018 00:06 (six years ago) link
dated pop culture references
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 4 February 2018 00:14 (six years ago) link
and that is all the discussion that deserves here
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 4 February 2018 00:15 (six years ago) link
Go on
― flappy bird, Sunday, 4 February 2018 00:15 (six years ago) link
I thought it was aimed at details like pizza boxes in the fireplace, the tear rolling down Uma's cheek, 'tarantinto aficionados will recognize' (ie. she recognizes). It's hardly worth criticizing. But then it's twitter, so yeah.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 4 February 2018 01:05 (six years ago) link
i'm sure uma thurman was familiar with dowd's work before she agreed to be interviewed by her. this is a dumb thing to be mad about. the piece was successful in getting her story across.
― treeship 2, Sunday, 4 February 2018 01:07 (six years ago) link
Absolutely.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 4 February 2018 01:10 (six years ago) link
All the writer's smirky references to Tarantino movies in that piece about assault were fuckin *corn emoji*
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 4 February 2018 04:03 (six years ago) link
By Thanksgiving, Thurman had begun to unsheathe her Hattori Hanzo,
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 4 February 2018 04:05 (six years ago) link
Like Uma is a hero for this and deserves better than having to be Ready Player One'd for this article
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 4 February 2018 04:08 (six years ago) link
Ha, I wonder if I saw this tweet
Uma deserved better than Maureen Dowd— J. Escobedo Shepherd (@jawnita) February 3, 2018
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 4 February 2018 04:10 (six years ago) link
i am glad Uma got the video & that she made it public. QT’s behaviour infuriates me. Not only for playing out his own torture fantasies but for his cowardice & ineffectualness. Because if ~anyone~ was in a position to shame HW into cutting his shit out or protecting Thurman ~at the very least~, it could have been QT. Operative word being COULD & that’s a fantasy bcz he didn’t. For fuck’s sake Rodriguez leveraged his job & put himself between Weinstein & McGowan and at least tried to help in a proactive, decent way. At least on the way it was told. But RR is maybe more grounded & respects his female stars more than QT idk.QT releasing that video to Thurman is the ONLY thing could ever be remotely measured as anything close to a tangible apology. It’ll never be enough but it’s a penny in the jar as far as penance goes. I hope he feels as much shame as he should now that the video finally sees the light of day. Because she’s a goddamn human being & she deserves to be treated as such. Not to be misused by cowards & creeps. And for anyone waiting to parse me no I am not advocating pounds of flesh across the board. In THIS instance, in these circumtances, is all I am talking about.And liking or not liking QT movies has nothing to do with this.
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 4 February 2018 04:45 (six years ago) link
you write as if you are new to the work of ms maureen dowd (if you are, i am envious)
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 4 February 2018 11:40 (six years ago) link
The Rose McGowan thing from her reading the other night just got even uglier. https://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2018/02/02/transwoman-who-heckled-rose-mcgowan-is-a-known-sexual-predator-claim-women/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
― Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Sunday, 4 February 2018 15:43 (six years ago) link
ok the first sentence in that piece is horrible even if this person is a sexual predator
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Sunday, 4 February 2018 16:02 (six years ago) link
i investigated the blog it came from and wow, never lost something from a terf blog here again imo
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Sunday, 4 February 2018 16:07 (six years ago) link
never post*
Yeah, I don't doubt the claims against Dier, but gendertrender is a long-running anti-trans hate site and should be approached with extreme caution.
― one way street, Sunday, 4 February 2018 16:10 (six years ago) link
oh fuck I didn't realize it was a TERF site. God damn it.
― Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Sunday, 4 February 2018 16:11 (six years ago) link
it’s ok phil <3
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Sunday, 4 February 2018 16:12 (six years ago) link
The Rose McGowan thing from her reading the other night just got even uglier. https://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2018/02/02/transwoman-who-heckled-rose-mcgowan-is-a-known-sexual-predator-claim-women/amp/?__twitter_impression=true🕸
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 4 February 2018 16:12 (six years ago) link
ugh xposts everyone otm
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 4 February 2018 16:13 (six years ago) link
yikes at that terf writeup
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 4 February 2018 16:14 (six years ago) link
in other gross predator newshttps://washingtonpost.com/business/economy/he-helped-halle-berry-and-taraji-henson-to-stardom-now-9-minority-women-are-accusing-him-of-sexual-harassment/2018/02/02/259e8196-f590-11e7-b34a-b85626af34ef_story.html
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 4 February 2018 16:17 (six years ago) link
Which reminds me that Adrien Brody still needs to fucking apologize to Halle Berry.
― Yerac, Sunday, 4 February 2018 16:28 (six years ago) link
and Sean Paul
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 4 February 2018 17:44 (six years ago) link
When did Adrien Brody tongue down Sean Paul?
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Sunday, 4 February 2018 20:18 (six years ago) link
Dan you are paying for my therapy aaaargh that it the worst mental image
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 4 February 2018 20:31 (six years ago) link
I'm reading Aubrey's Brief Lives and in the Sir Francis Bacon entry Aubrey causally - albeit in Greek letters, presumably to soften the charge - says "he was a pedarest"
dudes of stature being awful and not worrying too much about it are a fuckin very very entrenched western & possibly human tradition
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 4 February 2018 22:57 (six years ago) link
shake. that. thing..... Mr. Adrien-a
― bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 5 February 2018 03:12 (six years ago) link
https://www.reviewjournal.com/investigations/las-vegas-review-journal-killed-story-in-1998-about-steve-wynn-sex-misconduct-claims/
Claims that casino developer Steve Wynn sexually harassed employees could have surfaced years ago but the Las Vegas Review-Journal in 1998 stopped publication of a story that would have brought the issue to light. After killing the article, the newspaper ordered the reporter who wrote it to delete it from the newspaper’s computer system.The Review-Journal’s decision came after Wynn’s attorneys met with the reporter and the newspaper paid for lie-detector tests for two women who alleged a culture of harassment at the Wynn-owned Mirage.
The Review-Journal’s decision came after Wynn’s attorneys met with the reporter and the newspaper paid for lie-detector tests for two women who alleged a culture of harassment at the Wynn-owned Mirage.
― j., Monday, 5 February 2018 15:25 (six years ago) link
I see someone's out doing damage control
https://deadline.com/2018/02/quentin-tarantino-uma-thurman-harvey-weinstein-kill-bill-car-crash-new-york-times-1202278988/
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 04:29 (six years ago) link
not really she doubles down on everyone but qt
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 04:38 (six years ago) link
it's not as if qt was the one that might sue her
It's still damage control on his part! And yes, saw Thurman's follow-up. Regardless, he seems to have realized he needs to start saying a little more.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 04:39 (six years ago) link
oh whoops i thought that deadline article was about UT's instagram post, didn't know QT had commented, my bad
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 04:59 (six years ago) link
triangulating Quentin's interview and Uma's post:
i post this clip to memorialize it’s full exposure in the nyt by Maureen Dowd.the circumstances of this event were negligent to the point of criminality.i do not believe though with malicious intent.Quentin Tarantino, was deeply regretful and remains remorseful about this sorry event, and gave me the footage years later so i could expose it and let it see the light of day, regardless of it most likely being an event for which justice will never be possible.he also did so with full knowledge it could cause him personal harm, and i am proud of him for doing the right thing and for his courage.THE COVER UP after the fact is UNFORGIVABLE.for this i hold Lawrence Bender, E. Bennett Walsh, and the notorious Harvey Weinstein solely responsible.they lied, destroyed evidence, and continue to lie about the permanent harm they caused and then chose to suppress.the cover up did have malicious intent, and shame on these three for all eternity.CAA never sent anyone to Mexico.i hope they look after other clients more respectfully if they in fact want to do the job for which they take money with any decency.
the circumstances of this event were negligent to the point of criminality.
i do not believe though with malicious intent.Quentin Tarantino, was deeply regretful and remains remorseful about this sorry event, and gave me the footage years later so i could expose it and let it see the light of day, regardless of it most likely being an event for which justice will never be possible.
he also did so with full knowledge it could cause him personal harm, and i am proud of him for doing the right thing and for his courage.
THE COVER UP after the fact is UNFORGIVABLE.for this i hold Lawrence Bender, E. Bennett Walsh, and the notorious Harvey Weinstein solely responsible.they lied, destroyed evidence, and continue to lie about the permanent harm they caused and then chose to suppress.the cover up did have malicious intent, and shame on these three for all eternity.
CAA never sent anyone to Mexico.
i hope they look after other clients more respectfully if they in fact want to do the job for which they take money with any decency.
makes the tics of Dowd's piece even more frustrating.
― Haribo Hancock (sic), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 06:28 (six years ago) link
CAA is fucking useless for sure but so is SAG-AFTRA in all this. Where is the goddamn union?
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 11:07 (six years ago) link
Tarantino: No, that was not the case AT ALL. She wanted to have it and dated the guy and—Quivers: She was 13!Tarantino: And by the way, we’re talking about America’s morals, not talking about the morals in Europe and everything.Stern: Wait a minute. If you have sex with a 13-year-old girl and you’re a grown man, you know that that’s wrong.Quivers: ...giving her booze and pills...Tarantino: Look, she was down with this.
Quivers: She was 13!
Tarantino: And by the way, we’re talking about America’s morals, not talking about the morals in Europe and everything.
Stern: Wait a minute. If you have sex with a 13-year-old girl and you’re a grown man, you know that that’s wrong.
Quivers: ...giving her booze and pills...
Tarantino: Look, she was down with this.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 13:43 (six years ago) link