Young Kirk n Spock + Lost = new Star Trek movie

I will admit to kind of liking the religious nut in V even though that movie is terrible.

i want to see them MATCHING WITS. only thing bana had was a bigger ship.

I think the borg lady from VIII was pretty good, and malcolm mcd had his moments in VII.

Borg queen was the best TNG movie villain by a long shot (why they never brought Q back instead, I dunno). McD movie is unwatchable.

McD movie is unwatchable.

Movie, yes. McDowell himself could be a good villain in a better movie.

one of the weird things that this movie implies in terms of continuity is that (in the "real" timeline) both Kirk and Spock die in mysterious space accidents. kinda weird.

TMP is basically just eye candy, no villain required

I actually loved the concept and "villain" for TMP, the problem is more in the direction and execution of the film which just ruins the entire thing. The hashed-together script from Phase 1 parts doesn't help, either...

eh its just something nice to have on in the background, as an actual film it doesn't work at all

'fuck "continuity" and all that fanboy bullshit.'

Huh? This movie was built whole-cloth out of fanboy bullshit. They even respect shitty Scott Bakula Enterprise continuity.

This is the dog that Scotty vaporized that caused his exile to Vulcan ice moon gulag:
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/342/porthosdog.jpg

xpost Shakey - But doesn't that (weird space accident deaths) feel somehow appropriate than being bested in battle for them?

yeah I suppose so it just seems like an odd coincidence (no one cares how Bones dies I guess)

with all the jetting around space exploring cosmic shit that goes on i'd bet that weird space accidents are a leading cause of death in the star trek universe

'fuck "continuity" and all that fanboy bullshit.'

Huh? This movie was built whole-cloth out of fanboy bullshit. They even respect shitty Scott Bakula Enterprise continuity.

there's a difference between nods and winks at continuity (which this one does brilliantly throughout) and the whole "they're destroying the sanctity of a tv show from the 60s" tip that morbs has been on in this thread.

the nero part is admittedly a lightweight one but a halfway decent actor could have at least brought SOMETHING to it. like scene-to-scene consistency for example.

"(no one cares how Bones dies I guess)"

Bones fucking lives forever, guy!

McCoy is killed by giant rabbits.

Simon Pegg in this was an atrocity, big "I AM THE COMIC RELIEF" sticker on his face. He was like a character in Four Weddings and a Funeral. Awful, nearly ruined the movie with his way over written opening few lines, at least he quietened down a bit after a while.

Other than that I enjoyed it. Romulans were v disappointing, badly realised, too thuggish and not evil enough. The TNG Romulans were properly sinister, even if they looked ridiculous.

I thought the whole thing could have been a bit less cartoon/Hollywood but I guess they wanted a summer blockbuster. I know the original Star Trek was cartoonish but stuff like "Sabotage" playing in the car just kinda rankled.

At least he killed Captain Archer's dog.

i came in expecting pegg to be unfunny/obvious but i laughed a fair amount

yeah i thought he was absolutely fine (apart from aforementioned accent lapses) but i am a major Pegg fan/apologist (not enough to want to ever see Run Fatboy Run tho of course)

yeah i did like shaun and fuzz tho how to lose friends was pukey

Agree with LG re Pegg, pretty irksome IMO, as well as not actually saying anything funny despite being set up as the cheeky jokester. Enjoyed the film though.

pegg was seriously just doing a ratcheted-up version of james doohan's scotty i think.

Pegg always plays Pegg, but I can see what you mean.

i like pegg as pegg and think that pegg-as-scotty-being-pegg was still pretty great

PEGG!

a fair pegg in a sound role.

nice.

a+

i thought he was pretty funny.

one thing that occurred to me about scotty, though, was the scene where kirk & sulu are falling and the lady-beam-me-upper is having trouble locking on to them, and chekov is all "i ken do it! i ken do it!" and runs down to the transporter room and does it. then later in the film, they make a pretty big deal of scotty being the hotshot transporter dude. you think maybe in an earlier draft scotty was already on the ship at that point in the film and that scene was meant for him? i get that they wanted to give chekov another thing to do, but it just seemed weird that his special skill overlapped almost perfectly with scottsie's.

that's a really bad first sentence but you get the idea.

i was pretty much on board (lol) with this movie until old spock showed up. guess they didn't show the shark being jumped inside the red matter singularity

old spock was awesome

oh i also hated how they kept lazily relying on literal cliffhangers: lil kirk drives car off cliff, hangs off the edge of the drill, hangs off the edge of the romulan platforms.

old spock was awesome

― s1ocki, Thursday, May 21, 2009 11:13 AM

convincing argument!

i lol'd at the red suit guy

He was British wasn't he "lets kick some Romulan arse!"

convincing argument!

― am0n, Thursday, May 21, 2009 3:17 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

your argument was that he "showed up"

oh i also hated how they kept lazily relying on literal cliffhangers: lil kirk drives car off cliff, hangs off the edge of the drill, hangs off the edge of the romulan platforms.

― am0n, Thursday, May 21, 2009 3:16 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

agree with this. kirk hung off cliffs at least three times in this ish

your argument was that he "showed up"

and talked to himself :/

Old Spock was perfect. it was the flimsiness of his being too late to save Romulus ("I shouldn't have stopped for that haircut") plus coincidence of finding Kirk that bugged way more.

they never really explained why/how he fucked that errand up. sounds like he was covering his ass too... "and while i was on my way there, something terrible happened!"

Otm. I thought he was going be in that icy cave for an "All Our Yesterdays" rendezvous with Mariette Hartley.

In fact, he should have blamed the whole screwup on Mr. Atoz, if not the Guardian of Forever.

he said "the unthinkable happened", sort of suggesting that they miscalculated when the supernova would occur or that he was late for some unknown reason. weak!

Old Spock was fine for the most part but yeah they didn't seem too interested in the hows/whys of his appearance (I was kinda irritated that Spock didn't seem to have any inclination or concern about returning to his own timeline, surely they coulda shoehorned a slingshot around the sun in there for him or something)

he said "the unthinkable happened"

i get that they wanted to give chekov another thing to do, but it just seemed weird that his special skill overlapped almost perfectly with scottsie's.

His special skill of killing Spock's mom?

yeah he didn't do too well on that one huh.

that was Chekov, no? It's been 2 weeks+. I've already had this trivial piece of product fade from memory.

He saw the Age of Innocence. xp