Twin Peaks: Classic or Dud?

that poster is pretty great

plax, I think Fire Walk With Me addresses a lot of your misgivings about the series's reluctance to acknowledge its more troubling implications, although if you found the Black Lodge sequence in the finale to be tedious, I'm not sure you'll enjoy the more abstract scenes in FWWM.

does the new one resemble ally mcbeal to the same degree?

The problem is not surrealism. The dream sequences are amazing in earlier episodes. The appearance of the giant, the reappearance of the lovely hotel porter. But strobe lights and coloured contacts are unbelievably lazy.

S2 is redeemed by the finale as many have said. I agree with all of plaxico's v common complaints about the second half of S2, and yea maybe in the beginning of the finale there's some of that unresolved bullshit, but windom earle luring cooper into the black lodge only to be rendered completely irrelevant by the super massive forces of the lodge validates his storyline imo, bc yeah he's the reason cooper went into the black lodge & his very sudden erasure shows how useless he was & how powerful the lodge is. that very first scene in the lodge with 'sycamore trees' is my favorite moment in the whole series, return included. cooper frozen in place, eyes wide, lights strobing. just stunning

ows otm fwwm is absolutely a film about incestuous abuse that happens to use BOB as a visual representation thereof (the same is true of the series at least until its worst episode, after which the matter is simply ignored)

worst episode?

flappy otm, Sycamore Trees is the best scene in either show, I love everything about that scene so much

lol so rude "your very common complaints"

your tediously familiar complaints

imo the worst ep is the one with Leland's wake, that's the one where Cooper unequivocally says "Leland didn't do these things" (although even then coop has been shown to be wrong about everything), previous to that it was ambiguous but leaning towards it's Leland

i didn't mean to be rude, they're not tedious, i'm saying i agree with you on almost everything, as do most people. opinions only diverge on the finale. no disrespect xp

lol I don't take offense that easily dont worry

I don't think it's anything personal; Twin Peaks fans have bonded over our shared suffering through the Evelyn and James subplot for the better part of three decades by now

xxxp

https://welcometotwinpeaks.com/wp-content/uploads/dale-cooper-go-seahawks.jpg

my bf let out a sigh of genuine anguish every time james appeared on screen, p much from the beginning.

another q re finale, why do they introduce sexually voracious but with car trouble german waitress heidi?

She was in the pilot

In an almost identical scene

She is jolly and randy

Callback to the pilot (the dialogue is repeated verbatim), and a way of gesturing toward an unsettling cyclicality before Sarah Palmer comes in with her otherworldly message; either that, or Lynch just liked the actor and character.

xxp

oh ok, I had forgotten her. I guess that is very "Lynch"

There are a lot of returns in that last ep, its kind of a theme

anyway plax, imagine sitting through the one or two movies James Marshall starred in after TP bcz producers somehow thought he could do that.

Marshall was boldly cast against type as a pouty lackwit in A FEW GOOD MEN neva 4get

xp Cmon how could this fail?

Important brief-case is stolen from the mob boss Vinny. His assistant Kelly must quickly react and he hires two small-time crooks to follow the rival mobster. One of the men is hard core criminal, the other is an amateur.

all in sheryl lee's and lara flynn boyle's expressions

.... that scene is unpopular????

Well people hate the Donna character turn (a lot of twin peaks fans have Boyle issues)

But those two are incredible in that scene

these are all season two episode one scenes right? so much happens in that episode

The song is s2 ep 2

ah i figured, those episodes always mix together in my head (s2ep1 maddie screams at the floor, s2ep2 maddie screams at bob who climbs over the furniture toward her)

(i think, lol)

anyway i feel like people generally have more issues with donna seducing james in his jail cell than her scene with maddie at the diner. i love both

My friend waited until the DVD release to watch the return and told me that he was gonna prepare himself by watching fwwm and the missing pieces and rewatching the finale - I told him that was a really good strategy but to also rewatch the first 2 eps of season 2

i said this in... one of the many twin peaks threads, but i completely forgot about the hayward/palmer dinner scene in s2e1 (i think?)

Yeah the credits to the s2 premiere play over Alicia Witt playing piano

it's such a great scene too

any scene where ray wise is making everyone uncomfortable with his grief is a great scene generally

Yeah - & it goes without saying but especially in retrospect

The diner scene is such a touchstone for me and also the scene I most flashed on when I saw people using the very limited metrics of #prestigetv to determine the wokeness or whatever of the return: does this character have agency beep boop do they display interiority boop blorp nuance shading ER-ROR ER-ROR

When that simply isn't what this filmmaker is up to: what I love about that scene is how it demonstrates a key lynch thing where elements that ought to be discrete - personalities, identities, even events - are diffuse, a mood like the subjunctive. There aren't two clearly defined "characters" in that scene, there are several animating energies moving in the air between two actors

that's a great observation

I agree tbh! That scene gave me a way of seeing that I've fruitfully applied to all lynch, partic inland empire; it's my equivalent of yr I've figured it out medium post theory crafting (I even recorded a podcast about it at the time lol)

just wanna say i think the bomb in the safety deposit box is hilarious, it's the end of moby-dick

are you looking for secrets?

James' forehead is so high he looks like one of the aliens in This Island Earth

He looks like zoolander drawn in the style of beavis and/or butthead

https://i.imgur.com/A7pvUUz_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

lol u were right i do hate the new one. I'm quitting now.