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― attention vampire (MatthewK), Monday, 29 January 2018 04:40 (six years ago) link
all 4 parts of these are up now
An episodic treatment of the episodic televisual-cinematic whatsit Twin Peaks: The Return, and a year-in-review, for @reverse_shot.Pt 1: (https://t.co/UFWTGWMH4j) Pt 2: (https://t.co/0DBSHnp85t) Pt 3: (https://t.co/Vf0MUuqk1S) Pt 4: (https://t.co/EnYT1mWDkE)— BANDZ STACKHAGE (@NickPinkerton) February 1, 2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 February 2018 19:57 (six years ago) link
nice thabks
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Friday, 2 February 2018 01:46 (six years ago) link
thabsyou vebly much
Yeah, I enjoyed reading through those that. Is the series over? I was hopeful there would be a part 5 tomorrow
― Karl Malone, Friday, 2 February 2018 03:59 (six years ago) link
found a weird new porn site pic.twitter.com/3BIoKDk4iS— adam (@burgerkrang) February 6, 2018
― mh, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 15:19 (six years ago) link
Not sure if it's exactly what y'all were inferring but I think I could get behind the notion of the Palmer house as an incarnation of Judy. It's certainly been framed throughout the series as a corrupted/corrupting space.
― I'm very active in the pegasus community (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 15:22 (six years ago) link
the pinkerton essays are great (there's some needless star war hate but even that was enjoyable to sift through)
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 15:37 (six years ago) link
TBF, I don't know how one would even talk about The Return without spending at least a little time ruminating on The Last Jedi.
― I'm very active in the pegasus community (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 15:45 (six years ago) link
idk if that's necessarily true
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 15:58 (six years ago) link
I'm glad you were here to say it politely brad
― Alderweireld Horses (darraghmac), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 15:59 (six years ago) link
I'm willing to hear arguments to the contra...
Okay, okay, I'll curb the japery before I'm too entrenched.
― I'm very active in the pegasus community (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 16:01 (six years ago) link
Now that this has been over for a while, have people itt softened on the Dougie scenes? So many people hated that arc, most because it went on for so long, but I love the drip drop of details we get about the real Dougie's past—how this empty vessel existed for decades and somehow carved out a fulfilling life for himself.
― Evan R, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 17:08 (six years ago) link
I never had any beef with Dougie. Some of the frustration seems to have stemmed from an expectation that The Return would to some extent be TP-by-numbers, which was never gonna happen.
― I'm very active in the pegasus community (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 17:20 (six years ago) link
i didn't like it at the time and i like it even less now. i think that applies to just about everything in the show but esp to the dougie arc.
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 17:22 (six years ago) link
There did seem to be something cruel about the show's use of its limited run time with the Dougie plot, and I'm still not sure how much of that was deliberately a joke at the expense of impatient viewers (like the slow waiter visiting Cooper in S2E1, only spread across hours) or whether Lynch just genuinely loved the character and spending time in that Vegas world. Probably a bit of both, I guess, but in hindsight it seems way more like the latter to me.
― Evan R, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 17:57 (six years ago) link
I mean plenty of posters in the two threads were posting about what they found rich about the vegas plotline (beyond it being just a single conceptual gag) for literally the entirety of its runThe slow waiter is a good analogy in that it obviously is partly a joke on impatient viewers, but it's also tense and sad and lovely and joyous (señor droolcup is a fucking angel! just like DougieCooper). People always talk about "trolling" with that scene but I don't think the point of it is the people who feel they're being shut out, except that it wants those people to fix their hearts
― scrüt (wins), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 18:17 (six years ago) link
Lynch just genuinely loved the character and spending time in that Vegas world
it's really only this
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 18:28 (six years ago) link
i think
I can understand why someone might not be on board with Dougie or five minutes of uninterrupted sweeping or the extended scenes of dawdling that bookend the second season but it's part of what Lynch does. He likes to let things breathe. This isn't one of those MTV videos or a trailer for a Jason Statham movie, man.
― I'm very active in the pegasus community (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 18:31 (six years ago) link
david lynch's the transporter would probably just be the straight story 2
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 18:39 (six years ago) link
a co-worker who i think is a TP fan not a lynch fan (hasn't seen fwwm which i obv recommended she do as soon as set and setting permits) said something to me like "i need to see the new one because i need to know what happens to coop" and for all the allegedly hostile choices the return makes i was totally confident in saying "you will find out what happens to coop"
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 18:42 (six years ago) link
I'll go out on a limb and say I'm not a fan of the sweeping scene. I didn't really see what purpose it had, other than as reductive shorthand for "damn this series is slow."
But I think the frustration stems mostly from the sense (imagined, mostly) that those long scenes come at the expense of something we aren't seen—"why are we seeing this instead of Coop/Audrey, etc," as if there was only so much screen time to go around. That may have been the case for FWWM, where a lot of good stuff involving characters we love had to be cut in order to make the film stand on its own, but he pretty clearly fit everything he wanted to in The Return. They even extended the series' episode account iirc
― Evan R, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 18:49 (six years ago) link
Its purpose is ultimately the same as all of the other roadhouse musical interludes
― scrüt (wins), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 18:57 (six years ago) link
I need to rewatch because I've forgotten a bunch of scenes of weird dark things and the thing I've most thought about in the last month is Dougie!
I visualize the essence of Cooper's as this swirling cosmic force that can influence Dougie's body, but only barely. So you have this tabula rasa character being pushed around on the chess board by a player that subtly moves him, who can see the entire playing surface. He's completely oblivious as to who is a knight, rook, etc. but the cosmic player knows. Eventually it's time for that particular game to end and he ends up getting that jolt of electricity as Cooper moves from the chess master role into his body.
― mh, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 18:58 (six years ago) link
Did Cooper really have that much control over Dougie's body, though? It seemed like it was mostly the lodge pulling the levers
― Evan R, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:01 (six years ago) link
make me wonder why twin peaks now sounds like being in an urban outfitters?
― kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:02 (six years ago) link
I can understand why someone might not be on board with Dougie or five minutes of uninterrupted sweeping
They're not the same thing. The sweeping is fine.
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:03 (six years ago) link
lol you may be the only viewer who was like "man Dougie doesn't move me at all but now this sweeping scene.... that's the good stuff"
― Evan R, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:06 (six years ago) link
Periodic reminder that it is cooper's body, not Dougie's, that cooper may or may not have the barest control over
― scrüt (wins), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:07 (six years ago) link
Haha. Loved the sweeping scene! xp
Dougie was starting to wear me out a bit near the end.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:07 (six years ago) link
the sweeping scene is beautifully framed and meditative; it also feels united with the pacing of the rest of the show. can't imagine rejecting it without exposing yourself to the theoretical purposelessness of several other scenes
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:09 (six years ago) link
I just think for the director who has always said he got into filmmaking because he wanted to see his paintings move, the question "why cut to a shot of an empty bar being swept" makes about as much sense as "why cut to a shot of a stoplight"
― scrüt (wins), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:10 (six years ago) link
It's basically a hopper tableau come to life. Also 2 minutes is simply not a long time
― scrüt (wins), Tuesday, February 6, 2018 12:07 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol i nearly typed this exact sentence
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:11 (six years ago) link
I always feel like I'm being a Frankenstein was the creator pedant (and often am) but it's not a minor point! The character lynch wants to spend all this time with is Dale Cooper
― scrüt (wins), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:12 (six years ago) link
― scrüt (wins), Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:07 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
true! I tend to think only of "Dougie" as the entity we see for most of the series (Cooper's body, not much going on between the ears), the real Dougie Jones... we hardly knew him
― mh, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:15 (six years ago) link
real douglas jones seemed like kind of an asshole
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:15 (six years ago) link
not the other real douglas jones in the vegas fbi office
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:16 (six years ago) link
definitely loved the sweeping scene.
― wade boggs' carpet world, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:16 (six years ago) link
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, February 6, 2018 12:15 PM (fifty-six seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
but i'm guessing he was an asshole in the same way tulpa diane is an asshole i.e. they're fundamentally incomplete people dislodged from their true selves
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:17 (six years ago) link
Exactly
― scrüt (wins), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:20 (six years ago) link
hard to say, we never evidence she was bad at her job, neglected a family, or cheated on a spouse with sex workers
she also didn't seem to have let her body go, but tbh all that chain-smoking isn't good for you
― mh, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:21 (six years ago) link
that's what I mean about the drip-drop of details about the real Dougie's past upthread... it's a bit of a mystery as to who this guy was, but I always assumed his personality must have been pretty nonexistent so as not to stand out in any real meaningful way, or for anybody to miss him when he's gone. But he also has a lot of ppl in his life who seem to care about him, despite his history of fucking up. I don't think he was an asshole; he was probably pretty easygoing
Tupla Diane, by comparison, had a shitload more personality, but her template was built off a real person, not an empty construct of a person
― Evan R, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:21 (six years ago) link
He was hapless
― scrüt (wins), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:21 (six years ago) link
kind of a fundamentally mediocre human
― mh, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:23 (six years ago) link
idk man he was cheating on his wife and gambling to the point where people were threatening his life?
by kind of an asshole i think i mean whatever cosmic depression he felt bc he was an empty shell def negatively affected the other people in his life
fundamentally mediocre human seems right on
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:23 (six years ago) link
He was also involved in a criminal conspiracy let's not forget! Also both tulpas experienced fugue states
― scrüt (wins), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:27 (six years ago) link
yeah fundamentally mediocre is otm
But in a way that only underscores the sweetness of that whole arc. Here's a guy who's contributed very little to the world, and actively been a burden for a lot of people, yet more or less everybody helps him out anyway. They feel a sense of responsibility for him, and even show considerable affection for him. Reminds me a bit of the Straight Story arc of "here's a guy who meets people, and everybody he meets is really nice and helpful." Very effective contrast to the sourness and brutality of what's happening at the same time in TP
― Evan R, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:30 (six years ago) link
Original Douglas Jones is also interesting because he too is Dale Cooper
― scrüt (wins), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:31 (six years ago) link