I HATE APPLE

i don't understand why people are so surprised that people just want to continue to be able to use and maintain an expensive piece of dedicated technology that was sold until very recently and which they want to use in a way that they are used to being hassle-free and which suits them. I want a tiny little lightweight mp3 player that I can use in the gym, rather than use a quite heavy and valuable phone, it's no big deal but it would be good if those technologies were still supported and even minimally developed by the company that made a lot of money out of selling them in the first place.

support legislation requiring technology over a certain price point to be serviced, or replacement parts provided, for a given time period imo

as long as corporations manufacture things and people don’t value longevity there is absolutely no incentive for them to provide anything

they’re not going to be obligated to make an ipod with expandable memory or whatever but if you want to use it for eons and replace the battery, have at it

it would be good if those technologies were still supported and even minimally developed by the company that made a lot of money out of selling them in the first place.

― Heavy Messages (jed_), Tuesday, January 23, 2018 7:07 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark

i agree! this is also completely separate from frogbs's claim that apple is leaving money on the table by killing the ipod classic.

otm

not saying they're going to be making money selling iPods in 2018 - rather that it doesn't seem smart to me to not even bother to do the bare minimum to keep some segment of your customer base happy when your entire business model is based around locking people into a software/hardware system. and I say that as someone who genuinely wanted to spend hundreds of $$$ every couple years on new iPhones

It seems more like the kind of thing that might foster brand loyalty and good feeling rather than actually make them money.

That said, you know what technology is still going strong and probably should be supported? Analog headphone connectors!

I forgot to fume about headphone jacks in my list upthread

do you back the phone/pod up anywhere?

I put podcasts on a phone and delete them from the phone once I've listened to them. Last did a backup of the ipod library a couple of years ago, but I have vastly more mp3s than can fit on it. (I say "have," but they're on external drives in a storage locker on the other side of the planet...)

I'm probably the least into music person on all of ILX so my opinion barely counts but I sure as heck appreciate not having to "have" "media files" anymore.

Since this is the I HATE APPLE thread I will say that I hope I don't have to buy a laptop ever again. If this one ever dies I'll probably just live without a "proper computer", it's a hassle and it isn't good for much.

It seems more like the kind of thing that might foster brand loyalty and good feeling rather than actually make them money.

brand loyalty is kinda what makes them money isn't it? there's Apple, the Apple software, and the Apple accessories...and then there's everything else.

uh what makes them money is selling hardware to people at a profit, is that what you're referring to as "everything else"?

what do yall think about a music player/storage device built into the headphone itself?

you'll just do anything to get rid of our beloved conventional headphones won't you

xp don't like. headphones have enough quality issues/quirks without adding extra crap. i don't even like active noise-canceling

I taped an ipod shuffle to my headphones once

Gotta say, I do appreciate that when a program freezes up Force Quit "just works", in a satisfyingly immediate fashion. On Windows 7 it seems like when I terminate something from the process manager, it'll often just sit there frozen for a while before it decides to finally fuck off.

Was it always thus, by the way? I feel like 10+ years ago I wasn't constantly, constantly forcing crashed/hung/frozen programs to quit in every OS I use.

i almost never need to force quit so it may be something special about your suite?

stuff used to crash all the damn time to the extent you’d have to reboot your computer!!

half of the 90s was rebooting computers any time you tried to run anything more complex than lotus 1-2-3

so big news today I thought about production being cut back on the iPhone X. I don't remember hearing anything similar about any older iPhone model this soon after its launch.

everyone’s a supply chain expert these days

I feel like 10+ years ago I wasn't constantly, constantly forcing crashed/hung/frozen programs to quit

my macbook is that old, w/ somewhat newer but not up to date os and browser, and the browser hangs all the fuckin time. some other programs too, but browsers are the worse. really thwarts the use of force quitting, too, since it can take forever to even get the window up to confirm.

ah the new web is the problem though, old web’d never leave ya hanging

*curses you with a 2004 javascript engine*

oh word, I forgot that programs crashing in the bad old days took the whole system down with them more often than not.

No, I disagree. The last ipod classic was produced in 2014, that is just a little more than 3 years ago, that does not make it antique.

An enterprise which wants to build a strong link with the customers should care for support. It would be easy for them to change the battery pack but the thing is it is financially not interesting, that is why they do not do it, I suppose. And I have decided for myself that I am not going to support this company who does not care for my interests anymore, it is as easy as that.

― Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 01:56 (six days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you're right, i see what you mean now

btw that new keyboard-randomiser bug has to go. i'm sick to death of ios throwing up some random fucking keyboard every time i switch apps.

e.g. i have the chinese zhuyin keyboard for when a taiwanese person wants to type something on my phone, but at least 50% of the time ios goes "oh btw here's that zhuyin keyboard you only use twice a month", not the english/pinyin keyboards i use literally all the god damned time

yea it's Russian roulette whether i actually get Gboard or not

by which i mean, every so often my phone actually shoots a bullet into my head. questionable imo

I've deleted the main English one, which maximises my chances of getting Gboard

i don’t trust google to not scrape all my typing

which is a shame, because it looks like it would solve all my problems

I'm loving SwiftKey, got it after it was mentioned in this thread

ios swiftkey still doesn’t do chinese, which is right out for me

https://www.macrumors.com/2018/01/30/apple-focus-on-software-quality-extends-to-mac/

lol hasn't this been like the focus for the past 5 years? every year the theme seems to be 'this version of OSX has a lot of under the hood improvements' but i guess this year it'll be even more about 'under the hood improvements'

they've half-assed it with the "we need to support new technology X or device Y and those aren't high-profile features but require a lot of internal rework to implement" so they've sold it as internal improvements

the big ones, which are more software features than optimization/intense testing, would be APFS and supporting security across devices imo

still kind of wacky that I can make a purchase on the web on macOS using Apple Pay and it detects my nearby phone and has me authenticate on that device

does windows have the feature of being able to change which language it's spell-checking/auto-correcting/suggestions within a single sentence, basically just as you type it?

like when I type c'est-à-dire it's like I ate a pizza hier, aujourd'hui et demain without mushrooms ou oignons.

that's the os x feature I love the most

i can't get my phone to do that

the mac product line is abandonware, and the OS is getting there

macOS is mostly backported iOS stuff and I'm worried it's only there to support development/deployment of iOS apps tbh

xp yeah I'm not sure if my phone does that but my MBP certainly does & I would be loathe to give that up given my multi-lingual workflow

In my continual search for my next computer, I "upgraded" my 2014 15" MacBook Pro to a maxed out 2015 13", the fastest and possibly last MacBook Pro that Apple ever made.

— Gary Bernhardt (@garybernhardt) January 30, 2018

:/ it's such a dumb mistake why don't they take a minute and make a really nice new MBP

the main complaints about the modern ones are the touch bar and the strict adherence to usb-c over all else, right? and some keyboard complaints

actually that does sound bad when I list then like that

and that it's not a slam dunk hardware improvement over models many years older?

they'd like everyone to switch over to iDevices i think but MBP's are much more convenient for shit like work. idk wtf is wrong w/ them tbph. assuming nothing changes once the MBP i'm typing this on dies i'm almost certainly going back to PC.

all i want is a new mini. I'm hobbling here

my 8yo mac is still on low sierra because of all the recent press, and i've not replaced it because of how underwhelmed people have been with the new ones. what the fuck apple.

Maybe a low end iMac?

Or refurb

current plan is to wait until this dies and see what's going. if apple decides to build a good macbook, done. otherwise, yeah, refurb. don't think i could endure a desktop these days tbh.