Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

nothing to fear, kids today just browse around youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFxiZjayyZg

it's telling how these writers didn't wait for a provably false accusation before declaring that it's all gone too far. the backlash didn't even wait for, like, a famous man to suffer legal consequences for sexual assault

i don't even want to unpack whatever that video is

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/15/opinion/aziz-ansari-babe-sexual-harassment.html

https://theintercept.com/2017/08/31/nyts-newest-op-ed-hire-bari-weiss-embodies-its-worst-failings-and-its-lack-of-viewpoint-diversity/

https://elladawson.com/2017/12/09/bad-sex-or-the-sex-we-dont-want-but-have-anyway/

This piece came out in response to Cat Person, but it gets to the heart of the Aziz Ansari situation better than any of the recent thinkpieces on either side of the argument imo.

Landis seems to have gone silent in the last month. No Twitter activity or statements about the allegations. I wonder if he thinks he can wait it out.

― jmm, Monday, January 15, 2018 3:08 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Did specific allegations ever come out? I was confused about this one.

xpost Thanks, Roz - hadn't seen that and really appreciate it.

I'm wondering if after this winter we'll start establishing very set, specific language and rituals to give green, yellow, and red lights with sex.

Bad sex is the result of a society that makes discussing pleasure, desire and consent impossible. In the US, we do not teach young people how to enjoy sex. We don’t teach them how to talk about sex before, during or after. We don’t teach people how to say no, and we don’t teach them how to say yes.

Another take, re: Ansari:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/16/aziz-ansari-story-missed-opportunity

this is p good

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2018/01/13/ladies-lets-be-reasonable-about-metoo-or-nothing-will-ever-be-sexy-again/

I'm paywalled, is that one ironic or sincere

Enough is enough, I say, and mean. I read something by a French person that said “ONE DAY MORE,” and that is what I think men deserve. Let us return to business as usual now, before any more valuable masculine careers are damaged. There is nothing brave about any of this speaking out. It is just a mob. No one criticizes or threatens women who speak in public, certainly not myself, right now.

so it's serious

^^ Kind of B-level Borowitz/Keillor.

aw it's better than that

not really

Alexandra Petri is usually funnier than that but you're allowed to be less funny when you're angry

(full disclosure I competed against Alexandra Petri in Washington DC area quiz bowl competitions on several occasions circa 2004-2007)

I really liked the Jill Filipovic piece in the Guardian that pomenitul posted

I did think that Raven Symone's appearance on Master Of None episode about the sexual harasser seemed like an attempt to improve her image too.

You guys realize tv shows are not the singular product of their stars, right

Like, these are collaborative things. I don’t really think there’s tons to be gleaned from picking apart how his show was put together

they have some woke catering tho

Ned shared this on twitter & it’s quite a read.
I always knew it could be gross but it’s awful
to see it laid out so plainly :(

https://www.rollingstone.com/country/news/inside-country-radios-secret-history-of-sexual-harassment-w515439

You guys realize tv shows are not the singular product of their stars, right

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, January 17, 2018 4:48 AM (one hour ago)

Like, these are collaborative things. I don’t really think there’s tons to be gleaned from picking apart how his show was put together

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, January 17, 2018 4:49 AM (one hour ago)

who are you addressing

(and, though I similarly don't see that it's a fruitful line in this thread, since you brought it up: which show are you talking about that Aziz acts in and is not the co-creator, executive producer, co-showrunner, primary writer and sometimes director of?)

[there are 39 teleplay credits for Master Of None across 20 episodes; Aziz has 18, Yang has 15. He's directed 30% of the episodes.]

That NYT op-ed is such trash

ya Master of None was just as much of an 'auteur' show as Louis C.K.'s thing

Good (as usual) piece by Julianne Escobedo Shepherd:
https://jezebel.com/babe-what-are-you-doing-1822114753?rev=1516127284762

^^ That Shepherd piece is excellent:

Reporting on sexual violence and misconduct is an incredibly delicate undertaking that requires a working understanding about how best to do it. At its most basic level, this means that reporters must be careful not to re-traumatize subjects, which includes consideration of the ways that their reports will be received

...gets to the weird grodiness of the Babe article - exploiting trauma rather than reporting on it.

Yeah that definitely does agood job of expanding on misgivings abt the babe piece expressed upthread

The Babe piece is so surreal. It's a piece of gossip that they expanded during conversation. I hate it so much because it's making men all over be total assholes and terrible in all the ways they supposedly are against. I am still super bothered by the completely immature wine critique.

Shepherd piece is great, best point of access to this particular branch of the story imo

hoo boy i made a real mistake scrolling down to the comments on that jezebel piece

people are so cruel

Here's the full email the https://t.co/YZ14Jca6FS reporter who wrote the Aziz Ansari story sent when asked to go on HLN with @TVAshleigh. It is really something.https://t.co/qTca5xA9m0 pic.twitter.com/usZBm0KnIr

— Max Tani (@maxwelltani) January 17, 2018

so far, not too shabby

Props to whichever editor wrote the headline for that, hard to get a concept like "Read the email the writer behind the Aziz Ansari sexual misconduct story wrote slamming an HLN anchor who criticized her" into just 20 words.

tbh i have never heard of HLN until that tweet

I swear, I can't believe people use "no holds barred" seriously. But she is 22 and not aware of the Hulk Hogan movie.

maybe not *too* shabby but still: pretty shabby

i’m surprised she didn’t include “pantsuit” and “chunky heels” in her ad hominems, jfc

There is a reason you have other people read important emails.

there do not seem to be many winners in this ansari situation

appreciated that jawnita essay, have to let it sit with me some more

HLN is the channel next to CNN on cable, no? CNN Headline News?

"Ashleigh, someone who I am certain nobody under the age of 45 has heard of, I hope the 500 retweets on the single news write up made that burgundy lipstick, bad highlights, secondwave feminist has-been really relevant for a little while,"

Seriously?

A world where a putatively feminist journalist can’t see the problem in attacking another woman for her age and appearance is a world I no longer understand. And I am only 28.

there's a lot of light between 22 and 28

there do not seem to be many winners in this ansari situation

Anyone who wanted to disperse any of the momentum gained since Weinstein broke.

"I'm 22 and so far, not too shabby!"

Ms. Way's email isn't very mature.

I guess that's an understatement.

I swear, I can't believe people use "no holds barred" seriously. But she is 22 and not aware of the Hulk Hogan movie.

― Yerac, Wednesday, January 17, 2018 1:43 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

using it is one thing, but what is the meaning in this context.