Pulp Fiction (the movie)

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sometimes I think the sequence where bruce willis picking through the pawn shop until he finds the katana is the acme of cinema up to that point. but then again I only just realized this weekend why girls think logan's run is totally boring.

TOMBO7 (TOMBOT), Sunday, 28 January 2007 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

oh and yeah I love the way tarantino tries to make up for the fact that nobody ever goes to the bathroom in any other movies ever

TOMBO7 (TOMBOT), Sunday, 28 January 2007 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

The abovelinked essay is really insipid, but I stumbled across it a few months back and your comment made me recall it.

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Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Sunday, 28 January 2007 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't bother to read the essay, but it doesn't seem to be what I was talking about. Samuel Jackson ends up stopping the robber (and possibly saving himself and John Travolta) because he was in the toilet, whereas Travolta gets killed for the same reason. Doesn't Uma Thurman also OD while Travolta is in the toilet? And then there's the guy in the toilet who shoots at Jackson, which results in him quitting the business, which can also be seen to result in Travolta getting killed and Willis surviving (because if Jackson had been there in Willis's apartment with Travolta the whole scene would've probably gone differently). But toilets are just the most obvious example of small things leading into big ones, as I said there are also other scenes like this in Pulp Fiction.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 28 January 2007 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

Jules didn't go to the can in the diner.

do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 28 January 2007 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

yeah he got that backwards but you know what he meant

TOMBO7 (TOMBOT), Sunday, 28 January 2007 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeah, it was Travolta who goes to the toilet, right? It's been years since I last saw PF. The point is the same anyway: first going to the toilet saves him, then dooms him.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 28 January 2007 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

i think the problem with tarantino imitators is they copy the premises of his films but not the style nor the pace, which is fairly leisurely.

This is something else I was enjoying in the rewatching as well -- he does quiet and calm brilliantly, while still keeping you engaged (that's the other element of those long Willis tracking shots, but also the pacing of the one on one conversations and much more besides).

Also, I think the scene with Willis and de Medeiros in the motel room on the night after the fight is a great *love* scene, period. I don't know if Tarantino ever gets any credit for that (though I note Chaki's post, in which case I don't know if Avery gets any credit for that, but at least in terms of directing it Tarantino needs a nod).

The soundtrack served, along with Enter the 36 Chambers, Sublime's 40 oz to Freedom, The Fugee's The Score, and the Resevoir Dogs soundtrack, to the albums most likely to be blared out of a room on my freshman year dorm floor. I was SO tired of hearing the Ezekiel 25:17 intro EVERY SINGLE FRIDAY NIGHT that I stopped listening to it entirely.

I think I got lucky with this in that I was in the grad dorms by this point rather than undergrad. We were a little more studious/psychotic, and even the Cure being playing a little too loud by me once got pounding on the wall from my neighbour.

it suffers from Monty Python syndrome in a bad way

I was also lucky there in my experience. (This is not to say other things weren't quoted as often around that time. There's also an issue of Bob Fingerman's Minimum Wage that has a bit which is the final word that ever needs to be said about overly quoted references by anyone ever -- logically, I will not quote it.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 28 January 2007 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

also Steve Buscemi as the Buddy Holly waiter!

Which I had totally forgotten until the end credits. Threw me for a loop!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 28 January 2007 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

three months pass...
I saw this for the first time last night! I loved it, but maybe it's less novel if you've been immersed in Pulp Fiction and references to it for the past 13 years.

Curt1s Stephens, Saturday, 28 April 2007 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

I saw it in a local theater near the end of its run in town, after it had been hyped a fair amount. I was of two minds about it. It had a brilliant surface, but it was depressingly violent, empty and soulless. The stuff with Bruce Willis and the SM was especially ugly and manipulative - just how was this different from pornography?

My difficulty with Tarantino is not that his movies are derivative of other movies, but that they are not derivative of anything else, such as human life or his own ideas. Even as pure fantasies it seems that his images must be filtered through other people's movies before Tarantino can grasp them as material. He can't seem to fantasize for himself without a movie as a remedial aid.

I like Jackie Brown best among what I've seen of his stuff, if only because it simulated human beings and simple emotions better than usual. Knowing Tarantino, this simulation was wholly synthetic and based on his reading of other movies, but it works well enough to do the job.

Aimless, Saturday, 28 April 2007 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

I think Jackie Brown has a such a different feel to his other movies is because it is an Elmore Leonard novel. While I think Elmore Leonard is someone that has influenced Tarentino, Leonard's style is a much more low key. While Tarentino did make some changes, he did keep the relative feel of the novel true in the film.

earlnash, Saturday, 28 April 2007 23:59 (nineteen years ago)

i can see why someone would think that tarantino's work is empty and soulless, but i really don't think it is.

latebloomer, Sunday, 29 April 2007 02:30 (nineteen years ago)

i think that. i think that pulp fiction is still a good enough story to be compelling. but i saw kill bill 1 and now know exactly what each of his other movies is like just by reading about it and they are crap.

lfam, Sunday, 29 April 2007 03:06 (nineteen years ago)

Kill Bill 1 is pretty empty and soulless, but KB2 has a pretty well-judged action/soul ratio, and redeems the first one thoroughly IMHO. It's still fairly superficial, but has enough character stuff to be totally compelling. Maybe that wouldn't be the case if it weren't so darn well-made. Anyway, it's 4 AM, I've been drinking and I'm rambling.

chap, Sunday, 29 April 2007 03:13 (nineteen years ago)

Kill Bill 1 was anything but soulless.

I think you could make the soulless claims about RD and PF - there's less Tarantino in them than homage and flair for flair's sake. But with Brown, KB1/2 (though 2 wasn't terribly successful) and Death Proof, Tarantino has become a much more interesting filmmaker.

milo z, Sunday, 29 April 2007 03:17 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

December 13, 2008
Prosecutors charged Oscar-winning screenwriter Roger Avary with gross vehicular manslaughter on Friday, alleging that the author of such hits as "Pulp Fiction" and last year's "Beowulf" was driving drunk when he killed a passenger and injured his wife in a rural Ojai car crash.

Avary, 43, pleaded not guilty in a Ventura courthouse to manslaughter and other charges connected to the Jan. 13 single-car collision. Investigators said Avary was at the wheel of a Mercedes sedan late that night when he failed to make a curve and crashed into a telephone pole. Prosecutors said his blood alcohol level was above the legal limit.

Passenger Andreas Zini, 34, was killed in the collision. Avary's wife, Gretchen, was ejected from the vehicle. She suffered serious injuries but recovered.

Zini and his wife, Maria, 33, both of Italy, were visiting the Avarys on their honeymoon, said Mike Lief, the prosecutor on the case. Maria Zini was in a separate car when the crash occurred, he said.

Avary's attorney, Mark Werksman, said that his client is distraught. Avary, in a dark suit, attended Friday's hearing but did not speak.

Now that charges have been filed, Avary hopes to quickly resolve the case, his attorney said. Besides felony manslaughter, Avary faces two felony counts of causing bodily injury while intoxicated, charges that could bring 11 years behind bars. A pretrial conference is set for Feb. 20 in Ventura.

In a separate hearing Friday, Lief sought to raise Avary's bail to $80,000 from $50,000. But Judge Kevin McGee, noting that Avary has attended all court proceedings, turned down the prosecutor's request. The judge also gave Avary, who is out on bail, permission to travel outside the country.

Avary and co-writer Quentin Tarantino won an Academy Award in 1994 for "Pulp Fiction." Avary also co-wrote the screenplay for 2007's fantasy hit "Beowulf."

penice (velko), Sunday, 14 December 2008 10:32 (seventeen years ago)

four months pass...

Reading a review not too long ago that said that Sam Jackson's Bible-quoting psychopath comes from Night of the Hunter, which is plausible, but when I watched 1972's 'The Ruling Class' with Peter O'Toole not too long ago O'Toole's character (esp. towards the end) struck me as a better touchstone. The movie even ends with a similar speech ("And they shall know that I am the Lord that SMITETH!!!".

Cunga, Sunday, 10 May 2009 06:55 (seventeen years ago)

six months pass...

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-avary28-2009nov28,0,3500921.story

velko, Saturday, 28 November 2009 10:34 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-avary28-2009nov28,0,3500921.story

velko, Saturday, 28 November 2009 10:35 (sixteen years ago)

three years pass...

Not exactly earth-shaking but some cool tidbits in this VF story

I especially liked the story of how Jackson ended up having to fight for the role
http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2013/03/making-of-pulp-fiction-oral-history#

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 15 February 2013 19:15 (thirteen years ago)

lol @ the parenthetical here:

The script was sent out to actors with the warning “If you show this to anybody, two guys from Jersey [Films] will come and break your legs.”

Welcome to my world of proses (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 February 2013 20:07 (thirteen years ago)

They talked until sunrise. Tarantino told him he had two films in mind for him. “A vampire movie called From Dusk Till Dawn and Pulp Fiction,” says Travolta, who replied, “I’m not a vampire person.”

also wtf can't believe there's ANYTHING Travolta won't do

Welcome to my world of proses (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 February 2013 20:13 (thirteen years ago)

otm

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 15 February 2013 20:23 (thirteen years ago)

A New Yorker profile of Travolta before the release of Get Shorty quotes Tarantino saying exactly that. Something like "He'll star in Look Who's Talking 16, where the CHAIRS talk."

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 February 2013 20:33 (thirteen years ago)

it's funny how much these "making of" oral histories always break down to "and then a bunch of REALLY EXCITING meetings happened"

Welcome to my world of proses (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 February 2013 20:35 (thirteen years ago)

Daniel Day-Lewis was considered!

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 February 2013 20:41 (thirteen years ago)

how weird would that be

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 15 February 2013 20:49 (thirteen years ago)

At the wrap party, held on the Jack Rabbit Slim’s diner set, Walken danced alongside John Travolta. “Somebody said, ‘They should do a musical together!’ ” remembers Stoltz. (They were later both in Hairspray.)

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 February 2013 20:50 (thirteen years ago)

"Somebody said, 'They should take a roadtrip together!'" (They were later both killed in an automobile accident.)

schlump, Friday, 15 February 2013 20:56 (thirteen years ago)

"Someone said, 'Travolta is SO gay!" (John Travolta has not come out).

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 February 2013 20:56 (thirteen years ago)

i love how Travolta came up with the 'Batman' and 'Swim' moves in the dance scene!

piscesx, Friday, 15 February 2013 21:23 (thirteen years ago)

yeah that was awesome. lol at the 9 year old Travolta winning the twist contest

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 15 February 2013 21:26 (thirteen years ago)

http://nyookami.tumblr.com/post/43539515046

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 05:02 (thirteen years ago)

aw travolta was awesome Hairspray

k3vin k., Wednesday, 20 February 2013 05:09 (thirteen years ago)

I couldnt stand it any longer. Am watching it right now

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 05:18 (thirteen years ago)

Pulp. Not Hairspray

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 05:18 (thirteen years ago)

three years pass...

http://i.imgur.com/h8pW41T.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/liajkPb.jpg

, Wednesday, 13 April 2016 13:13 (ten years ago)

and none of them were "bad motherfuckers"

Jerry Lee Lewis: The Total Film-Maker (stevie), Wednesday, 20 April 2016 08:25 (ten years ago)

Worst fairytale ending ever

Daithi Bowsie (darraghmac), Wednesday, 20 April 2016 09:00 (ten years ago)

Watched this last year - it still moves, but time has not been kind to the effect of the "5-dollar milkshake".

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 20 April 2016 10:13 (ten years ago)

Haha, yeah I remember thinking that didn't sound all that expensive even in 1994.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 20 April 2016 10:41 (ten years ago)

I worked at a Friendly's back then. One of their milkshakes was about $2. McDonald's was a little over $1.

how's life, Wednesday, 20 April 2016 12:52 (ten years ago)

$5 dollar or 5 euro milkshake would seem a bit pricey to me tbh

i;m thinking about thos Beans (Michael B), Wednesday, 20 April 2016 12:58 (ten years ago)

what if it has bourbon in it

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 April 2016 13:06 (ten years ago)

six years pass...

“My name’s Paul and I leave the rest to y’all.”
I like how, besides the dancing, Vincent Vega is a walking disaster through this film. He makes every single situation worse by his actions or inaction!

bit high, bitch (gyac), Wednesday, 21 December 2022 14:25 (three years ago)

two months pass...

Had a boy in a grade 7 class this morning with wild red hair who wouldn't sit down. Was so tempted to go Sam Jackson on him--"You, Carrot Top" (points to desk)--but thought better of it.

clemenza, Monday, 20 March 2023 17:25 (three years ago)

one year passes...

I was trying to find J. Hoberman's review of Natural Born Killers--couldn't, but did scare up Stanley Kauffmann's Pulp Fiction review:

https://newrepublic.com/article/61392/shooting

Found the last couple of paragraphs interesting as a snapshot of an old-guard critic (Kauffmann was 78 at the time) confronted with a sea-change of sorts. If you love the film, and maybe even if you don't, you'll dismiss it as cranky old-guy whining. I have great patience with that perspective. (I wish he were still around, in part because I think he'd be taking a battering ram to the last few Wes Anderson films.)

clemenza, Saturday, 30 March 2024 17:38 (two years ago)

“tried various keys in the lock and had at last picked the right one.”

Ha this is a good metaphor for why I don’t like Reservoir Dogs (and other things as well). Guess it’s just an elaboration on “trying too hard”

brimstead, Saturday, 30 March 2024 17:47 (two years ago)

the last paragraph is pretty awful ad hominem trash though. glad fewer like him are no longer around to spew that shit. Does he just want to go back to the Donna Reed Show? ugh.

brimstead, Saturday, 30 March 2024 17:54 (two years ago)


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