Marijuana: Classic or Dud?

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Yeah, but being in the hot sun with a few beers and some music is paradise anyway - though marijuana is no doubt a welcome addition.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 15 November 2004 01:16 (nineteen years ago) link

doesn't go well with anyone who has ever suffered from any kind of anxiety...

This is surprising. It makes me much more comfortable socially. Not as comfortable as alcohol, but it's way better than being sober. When I'm sober and thrust into social situations (parties, mostly) I typically want to run away screaming. Pot makes it easier for me to veg out against a wall and examine the people around me; makes me feel less self-concious. (I understand it's the total opposite in many people, though.)

Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 15 November 2004 01:17 (nineteen years ago) link

I am not sure about the anxiety thing. beer or es make me feel less anxiety than if I was sober but that's probably cos I consume alot of them.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 15 November 2004 01:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't know if marijuana makes me feel more at ease in social situations, I'd say not. I tend to only do it as a sort of bridge between clubs and bed, or pills and beer, etc. or just on its own as I said.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 15 November 2004 01:19 (nineteen years ago) link

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it is the exact opposite for me. as soon as i get a little bit stoned i start feeling like i should hide. i get really embarassed and ashamed. i think things like i'm really ugly and dumb and worthless, and a few times i've even gotten mad at myself for not going to church, etc. but i hate church; i don't even believe in god!

caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Monday, 15 November 2004 01:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I have a few anxiety problems related to bipolar disorder, but I don't have any problems with cannabis at all. (I try to stay away from drugs these days as I'm not too confident in my mental health - made the mistake of taking acid again recently and reacted somewhat like Caitlin does to cannabis, a total hatred of God. I had a bad trip and spent an eternity in a godless void of infinite repetition, ocassionally upsetting people bu jabbering about God and infinity. So, as a general rule, if your mind isn't sound generally, it's best to avoid drugs) But I find cannabis can be a temporary respite from depression, though I find I feel worse the day after.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 15 November 2004 01:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Haven't touched the stuff in over 20 years cuz it just made me sleepy. It remains my wife's after dinner "martini", though.
Where it really bugs me is that a large % of my students come to school after smoking up, and that's just stooopid (some of you will say that's just my perspective). Many times, I just send them home...after I talk to them about maybe being more responsible about the stuff.

peepee (peepee), Monday, 15 November 2004 01:28 (nineteen years ago) link

So, as a general rule, if your mind isn't sound generally, it's best to avoid drugs

yeah, it's so unfortunate. if i can't handle marijuana, i can't really handle much else. i've been shut out of almost the entire wonderful world of drugs.

and it's not that i hate god as a result of smoking, it's that i start to feel like i'm dying and think, 'maybe if i had gone to church and behaved myself...' which is very strange and uncomfortable because it's not the same kind of dying feelings i've experienced from depression, where i never think of god at all.

caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Monday, 15 November 2004 01:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Last night, a good friend of mine DJed at a dub/reggae night at a local hole. It was great to hear all of this stuff, REALLY LOUD. Anyways, he still smokes pot, and I don't, but he suggested that if you listen to enough music made by people who did a lot of drugs, you get the effects without having to do them.

peepee (peepee), Monday, 15 November 2004 01:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Drugs are over-rated, really.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 15 November 2004 01:35 (nineteen years ago) link

the noize board believes otherwise.

caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Monday, 15 November 2004 01:38 (nineteen years ago) link

that's not even entirely, caitlin! there are plenty of non-druggie folx on the noise board.

but honestly, i like LSD way more than I like pot, and THAT is a problem.

Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 15 November 2004 01:38 (nineteen years ago) link

i was joking, ian! and yeah, that's my problem, i really can't do LSD. and i'm getting old!

caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Monday, 15 November 2004 01:40 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.justaplant.com/

lysander spooner, Monday, 15 November 2004 01:53 (nineteen years ago) link

OH GOD I LOVE DRUKZ

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 15 November 2004 02:01 (nineteen years ago) link

If I were still Ian's & Jon's age I wouldn't be typing this right now. I would be in a gutter somewhere laughing my ass off. But, alas, there is a two year old asleep in the next room and I'm an old fogey. I had my 15 years of irresponsible fun!

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 November 2004 02:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Dude, when you a two year old, you don't need drugs to make you laugh, right? That was always my perception; I'll quit it with the self-destructive bullshit when I spawn and have something worthwhile to focus my attention on.

Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 15 November 2004 02:24 (nineteen years ago) link

(and i didn't even go to college, just so i wouldn't have anything get in the way of booze & drugs. I had priorities!)

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 November 2004 02:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, kidz are the ultimate. But that was my point. Smoke up when you can, dood! If you are having fun, have fun.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 November 2004 02:26 (nineteen years ago) link

(maria smokes up more than me. but she comes from one of those brilliant hippy families who treat weed like a condiment and still go to yale and harvard and become doctors and lawyers and are all crazy productive and such. don't you hate those types??)

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 November 2004 02:29 (nineteen years ago) link

i don't think it's for me, considering i've only had mediocre or bad experiences on it. whenever i've tried it, i haven't been able to concentrate on anything, and i find that REALLY horrible and frustrating, not fun. (this isn't a problem when i get drunk, interestingly)

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 15 November 2004 02:29 (nineteen years ago) link

plus it hurts your throat, what's fun about that?

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 15 November 2004 02:31 (nineteen years ago) link

well, to be fair, cigarettes hurt yr throat WAY more. mine anyway.

Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 15 November 2004 02:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Depends how you're smoking the bud - there are many ways you know.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 15 November 2004 02:39 (nineteen years ago) link

oh, trust me i know.

Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 15 November 2004 03:01 (nineteen years ago) link

i have no idea whether it was pot or booze that has screwed my memory so much, i'm sure both are to blame. in any case, i only like pot about once or twice a year. and it usually makes me fall asleep. some people really dig having sex while stoned but i am not one of them, it makes my orgasms weak.

The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Monday, 15 November 2004 03:43 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry, TMI.

The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Monday, 15 November 2004 03:47 (nineteen years ago) link

plus it hurts your throat, what's fun about that?

I've never really had much of a problem with this.

Andrew (enneff), Monday, 15 November 2004 04:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow, is this the first ILE pot thread that hasn't immediately devolved into a knee-jerk hate fest?

Dan I. (Dan I.), Monday, 15 November 2004 06:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyway, it's good for watching stuff or listening to stuff or playing video games, and especially all that stuff if you're with close friends, but not for going out in public. I get fearful.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Monday, 15 November 2004 06:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Marijuana -- pretty good

Marijuana culture -- duddiest of duds.

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 15 November 2004 06:39 (nineteen years ago) link

perfectly well put.

Might I add:

Bob Marley = amazingly, incredibly classic.
stoners who listen to Bob Marley almost to the exclusion of all else = buffoons.

Kenan (kenan), Monday, 15 November 2004 06:57 (nineteen years ago) link

your girlfriend getting mad at you when you smoke pot = dud

artdamages (artdamages), Monday, 15 November 2004 08:00 (nineteen years ago) link

OTFM.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Monday, 15 November 2004 08:06 (nineteen years ago) link

not for going out in public

Being stoned in public freaked me out for years. But at some point that changed, and I got to really enjoy being stoned in crowds, at bars, concerts, in long one-on-one conversations, whatever. Being comfortable stoned in social situations gave me a weird kind of confidence -- like, if I can be stoned and still be comfortable despite the self-consciousness, then being comfortable when I'm straight is a breeze. That said, after smoking with renewed interest for several years in my late 20s and early 30s, I've kind of tailed of for various circumstantial reasons.

The last time I smoked was at my dad's 60th birthday party. I shared a pipe with him, his cousin, my aunt, my little brother and my little brother's girlfriend. Family bonging. It was sweet.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 15 November 2004 08:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Not so much Dud as Dull. Does nothing for me except make me feel a bit ill. These days I really object to the smell, too.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 15 November 2004 08:45 (nineteen years ago) link

That's neat. I wonder how common it is for people to smoke with their parents. I did with my mom once and it was a lot of fun, but I think it only happened because she's crazy. With most of my friends it's like, they smoke, their parents smoke, and both groups know the other smoke but both pretend not to and carefully hide it from each other.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Monday, 15 November 2004 08:55 (nineteen years ago) link

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Dan I. (Dan I.), Monday, 15 November 2004 08:55 (nineteen years ago) link

this definitely had a hand in his daughter's learning disability -- the kid didn't speak until she was almost 4. All that pot done fucked with his DNA for reals.

-- Je4nne ƒury (jeanneƒur...), November 14th, 2004.

surprised no one has addressed this. i don't doubt that pot affected your uncle's mind but i've never heard of any sort of altered DNA effect except from those ridiculous teen-scare films they showed in high school. and plenty of non-potheads have children with l.d.

thai stick, Monday, 15 November 2004 09:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I've smoked with my mom a bunch of times.

Every country has their stupid (AaronHz), Monday, 15 November 2004 09:12 (nineteen years ago) link

some people really dig having sex while stoned but i am not one of them, it makes my orgasms weak.

weed + Loveless = nakedness = saturday night, and it was GOOOOOOOOD. but i know what you mean - its a knife-edge thing, and i hate when i'm so stoned that i become a less-than-entirely-attentive lover. but saturday was *perfect*.

wrt weed easing anxiety, i certainly prefer it to booze, which messes with my mood... but with weed, when i'm being social, i'm conscious that i'm kinda dopey, and in the wrong company that can make me anxious... but i still retain a clarity that booze usually robs me of, so by the end of the night everyone's loopy from booze and will feel shit the next day, but i'll be feeling fine.

stevie (stevie), Monday, 15 November 2004 10:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Smoking+GTA = classic
Smoking+sex=uberclassic
Smoking+pubs = dud

Johnney B (Johnney B), Monday, 15 November 2004 10:28 (nineteen years ago) link

GLC 'Soapbar' = OTM

"it tastes like shit and it makes you cough, and it's the fucking rubber in it that gets you off"

g-kit (g-kit), Monday, 15 November 2004 10:46 (nineteen years ago) link

We call that Nope around here.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 15 November 2004 10:48 (nineteen years ago) link

i can't believe i referred to myself as a 'lover' up there. ICKY

stevie (stevie), Monday, 15 November 2004 11:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Dud, nowadays. Used to smoke much of it in high school and a short time there after. once i had some laced with liquid lsd when I was 20 and I flipped out and had terrible anxiety everytime I smoked it from then on. Needless to say I haven't smoked much in about 10 years. probably about 5 times in ten years.

Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Monday, 15 November 2004 11:43 (nineteen years ago) link

smoking + meditating on the nature of mind = primal fear!!!

the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 15 November 2004 11:50 (nineteen years ago) link

this definitely had a hand in his daughter's learning disability -- the kid didn't speak until she was almost 4. All that pot done fucked with his DNA for reals.
-- Je4nne ƒury (jeanneƒur...), November 14th, 2004.

surprised no one has addressed this. i don't doubt that pot affected your uncle's mind but i've never heard of any sort of altered DNA effect except from those ridiculous teen-scare films they showed in high school. and plenty of non-potheads have children with l.d.

thai stick OTM. The altered DNA/pot connection is a myth. Though there is some evidence that pot smoking can interfere w/male reporductive system (in the same way that cig smoking does). And apart from dyslexia (which isn't associated w/ speech delay) there is scant evidence of a genetic basis for learning disabilities at least those on the autism spectrum.

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Monday, 15 November 2004 12:09 (nineteen years ago) link

It's okay in that context Stevie, I find it worse when people use it to refer to other people, ie "my lover and I". People say that, you run and vomit.

In answer to the question: classic, as long as it's not a wake-up, skin-up habit. Christ only knows how I got through my first year at university. Classic for: beer substitute while watching TV, sex, computer games, putting yourself to sleep, attending parties last Saturday with crazy northern Irish lads who are doing their best to prove that stereotypes do exist.
Dud: for sapping motivation and hiding from your life.

Anna (Anna), Monday, 15 November 2004 12:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I have mixed feelings about the ganj, and I'm sure I've written this on ILE somewhere before (but can't remember where haha) but overall I'd say classic.

I didn't do drugs of any kind until I was about 24, when I smoked some hash, which I didn't like (I've done other drugs here and there, but very infrequently). It took a while to warm up to weed, but once I did, I became a fairly regular smoker - not a 'wake and bake' guy or anything, but at least 4-5 times a week. This went on for several years, and pretty much ended when I moved to the UK 2 years ago.

I suppose me and most of my friends would be considered 'potheads', but I'd like to think that we're in the favourable camp - i.e. we don't just act stupid and talk about weed - we have proper conversations about the world we live in and life in general. Often these conversations are more vibrant than if we were just sitting around sober or with a few beers. And yes - this has also been the sentiment from non-smokers who were with us. And even though I smoked a lot during this period of my late 20s/early30s, I managed to have an active social life, have a couple of very senior jobs, ran club nights, got a M.B.A., etc. Weed to me and most of my friends was just a treat - something that is a 'condiment' as someone upthread said - rather than the central focus of social interaction.

Unfortunately, during my final days in Toronto, some friends have fallen into the 'dull stoner' category, where they just haven't progressed. I've seen some geuninely hyper-intelligent people become, well, stupid. And one friend has become a full-blown 'addict' (as he puts it) who is now seeing a therapist. Granted, he has his own issues (which include alcohol as well), but the weed didn't help. Another problem is that I find weed makes me congested - when I go to sleep my breathing is very restricted, which is annoying. Plus I'm not fond of the fog/haze that I sometimes get in the morning after a night of many joints, which my friends do favour (I like a little bit - giant blunts are just not necessary IMO).

I don't like being associated with pot culture, which I guess is a bit snobby of me, but I'd always clean up the apartment from pot accessories (removing the bong is key) when guests were coming over. I really don't think this was a result of being paranoid - I just don't like looking like an obvious stoner from first glance. I'd never lie about my smoking - I'm happy to admit it - although I still haven't talked about it with my parents, which is a bit silly I suppose, but there ya go.

Anyway, when I left Canada (a weed-friendly country, of course - we had home delivery guys with their own fridge magnets and everything) my weed smoking became a rare treat, which is how I like it. I don't really want to return to being a regular smoker, because I have noticed that I am a lot more clear-headed these days, and when I do smoke it is a lot more fun, rather than just 'maintenance'. I wish my friends were at this point, and hopefully they will be soon.

for me:
weed + watching hockey = classic
weed + music = very classic
weed + hanging with immature stoners = dud
weed + social functions where most are non-smokers = kinda dud, but depends
weed + dance clubs/gigs = classic
weed + sitting on the dock at the cottage in summertime = ULTIMATE CLASSIC

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Monday, 15 November 2004 12:17 (nineteen years ago) link


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