Bartender Best Practices

the bartender is going to learn your name anyway when you give them your credit card. and your last name.

More accurately: never ask a customer’s name unless they ask yours.

http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2018/01/new-frontiers-post-employment-economy

Yeah, that is creepy if a bartender asks/uses your name. I feel like some super heavy touristy places do that to milk tips from tourists assuming all of NYC is rude.

The names thing works differently in different places. Big/busy/heavily staffed bars may have different reasons to give and ask for names than a cozy local does.

Bartender to patron: "My name's Kate if you need anything." Okay, maybe this is a management directive intended to make things more personable.

I don't relish it but I also don't mind it, and can see situations where it sometimes makes things easier for when you want something. One can now say "Kate" instead of "Excuse me" or "Miss" (which, ugh) or "Hey Barkeep," or maybe helps avoid "Yo, sugar tits!" And using words is preferable to waiting to catch the eye of a busy bartender, or doing the pathetic raised finger thing.

Also can be handy to know which person is "your" bartender in case checks/tips are being handled separately in that establishment. Sometimes there are non-bartenders behind the bar, and you might be asking a waitron, or a kid who's just refilling the ice.

"My name's Trevor, what's yours?" is a different vibe. Again, it's not necessarily ideal but it's probably not the bartender's fault; they are instructed to ask. I can see why it would be helpful in some places. Some people are running a tab, some people are paying as they go, some are using cash, some are using cards. Some people are sitting still on a stool and others are moving around the bar. Easiest to just get a first name to keep track of each patron.

Maybe their computer requires a name for each order. I have sometimes looked at my check and seen something like "glasses guy."

In some places having my name allows them to ostentatiously show that they remember it, and the associated drink. "Another Maker's Mark, Patrick?" I don't usually mind, unless I am in a grumpy "leave me alone and keep the booze coming" mode. And when in that mode I generally choose a bar conducive to it.

Another wrinkle is if one intends to become a regular. Names come in handy then.

i want to give my opinion on this, having worked as a bartender
if there is some connection or the person probably wants you to use their name in the future 99% of the time, they will at some point say: "hey, i'm katie" or something similar.
definitely never ask.

not really required and i stopped doing this at some point when my memory for regulars got better but i would make a note in my notebook with a few details about katie (drink notes, GLASSES, AUSTRALIAN, JW ANDERSON JACKET) (without her name, i would still add the notes with description) and when she comes in again and orders her drink, i can if necessary discreetly flip open to my notebook. 2ND time she comes back: "it was katie, right?" + maybe some followup on our last conversation: "how did that work trip go, to... boston?" if no pushback, next times: use name. if they never gave their name, do not attempt to do callbacks to earlier conversations as they probably aren't into that, unless they follow up on previous conversations themselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7U3lo80YrQ

I only go to bars where everyone wears name tags.

I wear a name tag whenever I go to a bar

I have a couple places where my wife and I are regulars, I know all the bartenders' named and they know ours, but none of us ever use them.

Just in case there’s a customer enamored with you (yeah but no), never invite your SO to the bar

When an old regular comes in after a hiatus, buy the first round. Or the third.

- Establish a first name basis ASAP
- emphasize in conversation what you have in common with the barfly
- give equal facetime to everyone at the bar

- Establish a first name basis ASAP

erm...

Never ask a customer’s name. But be ready to provide yours.

― calstars, Saturday, January 6, 2018 10:47 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there are ways to solicit information without asking

providing your own name, or making enough small talk that someone gives their name works well

if you've made enough small talk, you can give your name again like "hey, I'm Travis, I work here wednesdays and saturdays, it's been nice talking to you"

if they don't introduce themselves at that point you've failed rapport

never visibly react negatively to something the customer says in a neutral or positive way, unless you have a good rapport and it's part of a real conversation

for instance, if you see someone who was a longtime regular and he says "hey, I'm gonna have a kid!" do not mumble "jesus christ" and wander off disgustedly

"my wife just died"

"oh, congratulations!!!"

I have a lot of "don'ts" from a longtime bartender around town but I won't do them all at once

the best part was that he had (has?) a blog where he recounted stories and in half of them he seems horrible. and it's not a shtick, he really does act like that

I personally don't love it when bartender asks for my name.

Some qualifiers, though. I might make an exception when it's done _instead_ of swiping or keeping a credit card. That seems kind of homey and nice and trusting.

In most places, they have to put _something_ in the system to keep tabs separate. I'd rather have the check say "Patrick" than "weird guy at end of bar."

Yeah sometimes it’s a good idea to ask (from the bartender’s POV) and sometimes not. Wrote that yesterday though when I was getting along well with a new bartender and her giving her name and asking mine probably swayed toward having another round there

I hasten to note that in a lot of places it's probably not the bartender's choice, but rather his or her manager.

I don't think my local barkeep is personally thinking "Wow, that enigmatic yet weirdly handsome guy with the glasses who does advanced crossword puzzles while getting sloshed alone is extremely compelling. How I wish I knew his name!"

More likely the decree comes down from management or corporate, saying "EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, ALL BAR STAFF WILL INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, SHAKE HANDS, AND ASK THE PATRON'S NAME."

Like Barbershop

If there’s a group sitting at a table, instead of waiting for them to order rounds at bar, clear their empties and take the next orders. Keep them drinking.

So these vertical IDs for minors these days, c or d

makes sense

When you run out of music to play, put on Mothership Connection

Serve a group before a single

A cig is the perfect break

When serving, if possible, set the glass down on the bar with an audible “pop.” This augments the overall auditory experience of the customer and is a reminder of the impending rush of pleasure, potentially leading to a larger tip

calma starstra

"What's your name?" should only follow "Wanna start a tab?"

If you sense a new patron is impatient or irritable, take his payment when you take his order. That will dissuade him from bolting while you’re pouring or otherwise engaged, leaving you one down on the count.

How garrulous to be ? Pluses and minuses on both sides. I think overall if you’re talkative and boisterous it’s to the benefit of the bottom line

When you run out of music to play, put on Mothership Connection

Well alright!

according to this thread, bars in the US are so far removed from the UK the experience is unrecognisable

American drinking culture is pretty shit

How so?

calstars is a sui generis bar-room oddball

I never go to the clubbier/packed bars in my area but ended up in one for a friend's birthday. I couldn't quite hear what the upgrade was when I ordered a round (two beers, two mixed drinks) but for $1 per drink, I figured whatever it was would be fine, so I nodded.

It turned out it was "your second drink is a dollar" and I was presented with eight drinks. I tipped $4, which seems... fine?

I also quickly figured out why I've seen so many people incoherently stumbling out of that place at relatively early hours

wow

wow x2

in Oregon they have a rule about how much actual alcohol you can order at once, e.g. you can't get a 2 oz bourbon sampler plus a full pint of beer, gotta dial that beer down to a beer back order.

the owner of said bar used to have a place that would charge cover and then have a "penny pitchers" special in the early evening

the bar was surprisingly less objectionable than I expected, but very much in the "slap a new coat of paint on and change the place's name when business dies down" vein

In a market system bars will both respond to customers' wishes _and_ shape their expectations. I am not defending this system, but merely observing it phenomenologically.

Do I sometimes wish there were introvert bars with privacy shields on either side and cunningly selective speaker systems that could pipe specific music or infotainment to each patron? Sure.

In the meantime I go to bars when I am okay with being in a bar. (This is true both in the US and the UK.) When I want to curate the experience to my taste, I stay home and fuckin curate the experience.

according to this thread, bars in the US are so far removed from the UK the experience is unrecognisable

otm

I sometimes wonder what Americans make of service in bars in (for example) Dublin where it’s unremarkable for barmen to appear resentful at having to interact with patrons in any way.

Right. I'm not used to bartenders talking to me beyond 'Can I help you?' and 'That's £10.40 please' unless I actually know them as a friend.

Flavourful 6%+ craft beer is easier to come by in North America therefore North American bars are inarguably superior.

Nice, thanks!

When a customer orders a subsequent drink, take care to place it in the exact spot where their last was

A lot of my customers carefully get a cocktail napkin ready while I'm working on their drink and slide it forward for me to finish the operation.

Bar pros

i went to a bar by myself yesterday, first time in forever. i was killing an hour and a half waiting for my car to be inspected down the street. i went to an irish sportsbar, and was definitely the most awkward weirdo in the room. my instincts are horrible. in this giant sportsbar, there were about 8 customers. 4 were sitting at the bar, and the remaining 4 were sitting at a pair of tables a few feet away. but this room was huge, and i had a headache, so i thought i'd just go sit at a table by myself about 100 feet away. but i had to order a drink first. 3 of the 4 people sitting at the bar were old guys, and they were all staring at me. i made eye contact with one of them and he immediately looked away, and then the bartender asked me what i wanted. she called me honey and then turned away and her jean shorts exposed like half of her ass-cheek, and then i made eye contact with another old guy and he immediately looked away. i realized i didn't know what kind of draft beers they had, so i marched around to the other side of the horseshoe-shaped bar to take a look at the little knobs. i ordered a shocktop and was immediately disappointed with what i had done, and then i asked if it was ok to sit in the other, completely empty, part of the room. it looked like it might be closed off due to no customers entering it for the past 5 years. she said you got it to my beer request and of course to my question about sitting alone. i walked back around to the other side of the bar, waiting for my beer, and then realized i needed to sit down at the bar instead of walking 100 feet away. so i sat down. it got worse from there, i assume when i left they were like wtf

i’m sure it was fine, if there are just old dudes at a bar mid-day they’re either locked in to their own thing or desperate for conversation. probably with their own kind, but you sit three seats away and they start making small comments at the tv or grunting noises to try to lure you in

Also don't smoke pot just before you go to an Irish bar. Just sayin'.

Karl Malone cruisin’ old guys at a dive.

they will talk about this day for months to come

If the bar is loud and a customer has a bill of $50 or less, express the total with your fingers. Round 6 up to the next ten.

End every description of a drink with “it’s very distinctive”

When pouring a pitcher, let the brew fall on the lip to break its fall, thereby preventing half a pitcher of foam

Buy back calculation: customer must have ordered at least two rounds and have tipped half the price of their drinks

I prefer sellbacks, where I drink as much of the beer I want, and give the rest back for a prorated refund

This is all very intimidating and confusing to me.

Are you a bartender?

When there are customers in hearing range, and the bar is quiet, and the customer tells you that they should be at work, don’t ask about the details of their employment

i mean

If business is slow and you need every check to justify your shift, feel free to forego all buybacks, even to those who were there on your first day

When a group of new people arrive and are trying to decide between the fancy expensive drafts, and a regular comes in who always gets the cheapest can, acknowledge the latter and confirm his usual with a nod, but don’t say the brand name out loud, lest the group be swayed via indecision.

Why would you go to a bar to pay a markup for a can you can buy cheaper at the package store don’t tell me it’s because of the company

Not “you” you, a generic you

I’m

Is this a real question

Rhetorical

lol

if you can’t remember this regular, or maybe especially if you can, if they pay via credit, note their first name from the card, and give it back to them with a smile and a “thanks x”