Star Wars 8 shit talk

Billy Dee Williams is like 80, hope he lives long enough to shoot it

it would be awesome if she shows up but he's Harvey Dent instead

So the Skywalker story as such would have run the full new trilogy; as it is, the real clean break -- imposed by totally outside circumstances -- occurs with the new one.

We are literally only one movie past two major (human) characters from the first Star Wars movies getting digitally recreated.

Leia's lasted approximately 3 seconds, and Tarkin had I think 3 scenes. And it was in one of the betweenquel movies where they probably felt like they could get away with it.

A whole entire movie featuring a CGI Leia would probably be too much (def would be for me).

I'd like our narrative to not be justified by so much autobiographical projection I guess

it's...actually right there on the screen in many places.

Kylo has an entire monologue about living up to his grandpa, kills his dad, gets lectured by Snoke about how he isn't the new Vader he's supposed to be, erupts in a rage, flies on an offensive to kill his mom (unable to pull trigger), later consults Rey by saying "let the past die, kill it if you must", then repeats it after he kills Snoke.

but yeah, all projection....

xpost I didn't mean an entire movie with a CGI Carrie Fisher, but come on, eventually they'll figure that out.

if yr asking for 1-2 movies showing how Kylo got seduced by the Dark Side tho, I will direct you to the litany of graphic novels that are likely to be published in the ensuing years to satiate fans who need everything written out

xpost nothing to 'figure out', it's already possible to do and they've done it in movies. but fans would revolt (and this time i'd be with them). I didn't care about 2-second Carrie but full-movie Carrie and....just nah.

I meant figure out fully convincingly. And fans would not revolt at all. They would turn out in droves to see it and then complain, just like with this movie, just like every movie. What was the last major franchise film to flop? Those Hobbit movies were terrible, and even they made tons, iirc.

I hear ya man

But theres an awful lot of bad dialogue in these and you can hang a lot on any of it

I....would probably read those graphic novels tho

What was the last major franchise film to flop?

The DC films.

Did they flop? No way. They "underperformed."

Batman V. Superman: 872.7 million USD
Suicide Squad 746.8 million USD
Justice League 646.7 million USD
Wonder Woman 821.9 million USD

People will watch anything.

Wonder Woman underperformed? Female director, unknown female star? First I heard that.

also i think WW had half the budget of BvS.

The Mummy?

I just put WW in there as a DC film that didn't flop, it obviously did really well, as well as Thor or whatever. The other movies were considered box office disappointments, which is how I meant "underperformed." The Mummy seems like a good candidate, but even that one made over $400 million on a budget of $100 million or so.

yeah none of those are 'flops' unless we're talking critically, which ...isn't what is usually referred to as a flop

Flopsonned

I might have misread that, each film might have only underperformed, but I'd say the franchise as a whole has flopped.

A lot of films that are intended to start franchises flop, a recent example being The Dark Tower.

Justice League 646.7 million USD

That still might not be enough to make a profit for the studio. I'm seeing $750 million as its estimated breakeven point. It was a stupidly expensive film.

The Mummy also reportedly lost a lot of money.

Fantastic Four probably the last major superhero flop

FF clearly only made to maintain rights. I’ve seen better high school plays.

the 1994 ashcan copy, or the Michael B Jordan/Kate Mara one

the latter

just wait til Marvel Studios purchases the rights 10 years from now and re-re-reboots it

I knew that was gonna be a stinker when I saw this trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7QzW-siAro

"And what if we say no?"
"...Say yes."

IF that's the best piece of dialogue you could cobble up for the trailer, damn

Disney own Fox now. It'll be much sooner than that

they should have Chris Evans be Human Torch again

Evans joked about that on Twitter when the deal was announced.

looking at those DC "flop" numbers are insane, perhaps the current blockbuster film business is just unsustainable

my original point is that nothing will sink these sequels, let alone spark any sort of substantial box office backlash.

looking at those DC "flop" numbers are insane, perhaps the current blockbuster film business is just unsustainable

― Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), 31. december 2017 19:14 (fifty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It is. The Dark Tower was both a major flop, and the best selling film directed by a Danish director ever. The studious are throwing so much money at stupid ideas with untested directors it's insane. Everyone wants to get the next big Cinematic Universe, or the next Jurassic World.

if this business can't figure out a way to make money on selling 3 quarters of a billion in tickets I don't know what to tell them

I think the marketing costs are scaled to the production costs so you end up with tons of money tacked on to the budget

It’d be funny if they eschewed tv commercials and major ads for the next Star Wars film and just let it ride on momentum

I hope they one up ROTJ and advertise one title up until opening night and then reveal a different title when it opens

Star Wars: Big Ship Go Boom Boom

More thoughts later but a second viewing really does make the film even better watching, and I very much enjoyed it out of the gate. A couple of moments remain drawn out but the pace works very well and I really did enjoy multiple creative moments in both editing and cinematography in particular.

Hamill’s performance remains strong but I was taken at how well Ridley and Driver did, especially in the telepathy scenes where the other wasn’t there.

honestly they could have just cut out everything that Finn was involved in and you'd have a better, shorter movie

That would mean losing Rose, and no.

she was good but could I live with out that character to ditch cat horses, Del Toro, and slot machine leprechaun?

better to just trim down the screen time for the horses, del toro, and the slot machine gags. but i've made my case on that one.

xpost Faith and begorra. Or is that Force and begorra?

also I just remembered Mr. Leftovers as a weird Hunger Games villain with that brooch lol, man that whole thing was goofy

Liked the character and actor, but I wish so much of the Rose stuff were not so contrived. Nonsensical bombing raid set up so that her sister gets sacrificed to give her motivation, spontaneous crush on non-entity (and demonstrated coward!) Finn to give her a romantic motivation, culminating in ... a potential suicide run to prevent someone else's suicide run?

Anyway, mentioned earlier but lots of suicides or attempted suicides in this movie!

well, they wanted to make sure it was as difficult as possible for poe to discern when it's a good thing to selflessly throw yourself into the fray for the greater good, and when it's just a needless waste motivated by ego.

We’re binging The IT Crowd today and I realized all technical criticisms of how Star Wars works are basically the same as complaining that the IT Crowd building would have at least had smoke detectors.

Yeah my stepmom helpfully incorrectly spoilered the movie for me by saying "the main character dies" and that b/w the divided reception ("A CONTROVERSIAL NEW DIRECTION IN STAR WARS FILMA") really had me thinking Rey was gonna die

Like 10 minutes in it occurred to me this was such an ensemble that "the main character" from her POV could be *anyone* which really raised the stakes for me in every fight/battle sequence (woah , and I really bought that Finn was gonna bite it in that run

Rose as a character is fine but she feels like a plucky Disney sidekick grafted onto a Star Wars film. Also the off-ness of calling a character Rose in the SW universe really grates - other protags have otherly names like Rey, Kylo, Poe, Maz ... even Finn gets away with being a Verizon of his serial number. And then ... Rose.

ack, version, there isn’t even a company of that name in my country you stupid autocorrect