Star Wars 8 shit talk

I mentioned to my older sister (who introduced me to the original trilogy when I was little) that seeing Luke deploy what was essentially the myth of his own heroism in the climax was an intense experience in a Jungian kind of way.

Xpost nah the humor was far better here. Finn's comedy bits in TFA were shit

x-post: Otm. The shoulder brush was the best moment :(

^^^ THANK YOU

xp to neanderthal

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well i don’t mind the shoulder brush at all either fred

Kinda sad this grouchy version of Luke won’t be back (?)

I think Luke will have at least one force ghost interaction with Rey in IX, esp since I have to assume Leia will die of natural causes in the opening crawl

Some of the comedy in TFA was really good, a lot was hacky in-joke stuff but I think the Finn/Rey "are you okay??" "...Yes?" bit was really good and worked to cement affection for the character. In both films I can point to two or three worst-offender jokes that, if removed, would make for a stronger and more continuously immersive film. The "holding for Hux" bit is just so wrong for the universe in a way that Han's "fine, uh, we're all fine here... how are you?" bit in the original film isn't.

An absurd thought I had while watching is if they had known while making this movie that Carrie Fisher was going to die they could've had Leia be the one to go down with the ship instead of Holdo

Yeah, I found having her character survive when we all know Carrie is gone gave me an odd feeling of hopelessnes.

carrie fisher died like a year ago iirc, probably could have figured some way to kill her off given the 12 times leia almost died and also considering she was not really an important part of the movie anyway....

I just think comedy in big budget films is kind of broken right now.

i assume they have enough b-roll/unused footage to find a resolution for the character. i think they won't go down the CGI route after the general reaction to grand moff tarkin/leia from rogue one.

the humor in this was objectively bad, but par for the SW course

yeah carrie fisher’s family have already ruled out a digital resurrection iirc xp

i assume they have enough b-roll/unused footage to find a resolution for the character. i think they won't go down the CGI route after the general reaction to grand moff tarkin/leia from rogue one.

― 龜, Tuesday, December 26, 2017 9:06 PM (thirty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

or they do a time jump for ep 9 and casually mention her passing in the crawl

The "holding for Hux" bit is just so wrong for the universe in a way that Han's "fine, uh, we're all fine here... how are you?" bit in the original film isn't.

they're both of their time imo. the han line is straight from the SNL school of murray/ackroyd-esque bullshit artistry, the hux scene is straight out of the office

y'all should be glad there's no Millennial internet humor in this movie

the shoulder brush kinda counts imo

AND THAT'S A GOOD THING

AND THAT'S A GOOD THING

heh I really don't think that's what silby meant. the dirt off your shoulder seems antithetical to millennial internet humor actually

milennial normie humor, maybe?

I HAVE SPOKEN

KINDA

Milennial internet humor version would be like, that whole standoff at the base is set at a Denny's instead

Luke would be the waiter and Kylo Ren would be ranting at him about something and Luke would be like "So do you want hash browns"

you're right, i'm glad that wasn't in the movie

How do yall feel about the fan-wish to recast Sigourney Weaver as Leia? I kind of feel like it could work.

bring back Sissy Spacek imo

leia really hasn't brought a whole lot to the table these past couple of movies, just write her out imo

Pretty sure Leia's story will end like this
https://media1.tenor.com/images/fa8950c47e2ed420544078ea9e052b9d/tenor.gif?itemid=3715215

we all go on about poe's impetuousness, but finn and rose deciding to crash their shuttle into the resistance hangar coulda ended a lot worse than it did

Leia at the start of EP9 = Newt in Alien3.

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"Oh my God...Poe! Where's Leia?"
"Thanks to your crash landing, there are multiple answers to that question"

I’m a little worried we haven’t heard back from Alfred

I love Sigoyrney recasting Leia is a terrible stupid idea.

i mean, if they do that then why not recast Han and fkn Jabba the Hut too

I mean they're gonna have to do a jump forward anyway, unless Ep IX will be centered around the growth of the Resistance from 12 people to 14 people

or they could do a Bela Lugosi and have an actress wear a cape in front of her face while she speaks

lol

I'm in the minority: I thought this a muddle, an often boring one in the second third -- way too many fucking side plots. Half the theater bent over in hysterics after Leia survived the explosion in the manner she did.

carrie fisher died like a year ago iirc, probably could have figured some way to kill her off given the 12 times leia almost died and also considering she was not really an important part of the movie anyway....

― k3vin k.,

this bugged me too but nothing anyone can do except let a Star Destroyer land on her CGI image next film.

I feel like TFA’s humor leaned on the nerd humor angle too much? like, I know every bit of Star Wars, so something going against what I know and a funny rebuke to that, but still in that realm, appeals

there were funny bits in this one that seemed almost contemporary but an appeal to general humor. as if people have a sense of humor outside of the little circle established in the original series

rogue one, to extrapolate on the original plotters and social climate, seemed like a video game within the framework that we follow on a rail. there are necessary plot points, character beats that we recognize, and the necessary heroes but we know what’s at stake from the get-go

Poe’s first line in TFA is telling Kylo Ren that he couldn’t hear the speech he just gave because of his helmet - the Holding for Hux joke is not only completely in character, it’s a good tactic for stalling by getting the windbag to repeat himself.

Also brushing the dirt off his shoulder is not really modern humour? It could have happened in the original trilogy, and everyone would have known what it meant.

saw this at hastings odeon w/sister's family, sat beside niece (10): she was transfixed throughout so a big win there i guess

re joeks: the imagined notion of a film of this length and limit taking itself absolutely unreflexively seriously is p dreadful for someone in my position -- mildly bored and unconvinced adult companion of small ppl -- and obviously the dirt-brush moment was anyway good not bad bcz luke was undertaking this whole projected-self stunt to enrage kylo to stall for time: it was a way of flipping off the villain to break his focus

(basically if yoda gets a pass for saying "burn the tree" purely as a manipulative stunt, then luke-back-on-his-jedi-bullshit gets the same pass: jedis are all assholes, even the so-called "good" ones, this is canon)

(i also assumed poe was pulling the "on hold" stunt in the same spirit, entirely to wind up general hugs, but i'm happy to accept that my star wars universe is already defensively distorted to stop me -- a sceptic -- being uninterruptedly and hence disruptively annoyed next to the rapt small relative) (viz i *need* to be taken out of this universe now and then, and there was no evidence it de-suspended my niece's disbelief for a moment)

i liked that hammill played luke as present-day mark e.smith cosplaying yoda: i was cross on behalf of the fish-looking island curators who look after the jedi paraphernalia, that their lives and houses and jobs were all messed abt by thoughtless asshole jedi biz; the entirely casino sequence mainly reminded me of POMPEII, and bad as finn is he is better than JON FKN SNOW; i am bored with the trope of ppl trapped at a cliff edge being rescued by a flying vehicle rising up to rescue them; i actually kind of liked the whole DUMB FAILED MISSIONS aspect of finn and rose and poe, bcz this is after all STAR WARS not STAR PEACETIME © FGTI upthread, and as we know war is stupid people are stupid)

i hate BB8 *waaaaay* more than the porgs (my main argument with my niece afterwards was that chewie was obviously keeping them to eat later, she said no but she is wrong)

the force has long been the sonic screwdriver of this franchise: the hard-won mechanism of me becoming resigned to it at all meants that really the only problem i had with leia self-rescuing (ie utilising some of the arbitrary magical powers some characters have been given for confused reasons) is that when i was a kid i was taught* if you found yourself in actual space you would BURST from the pressure of the blood inside bursting outwards, not this modern genteel looks-saving frosting over

*by my dad, who was a scientist but not a space scientist, and to be fair often made things up, especially gruesome things, to appal small me and amuse himself

to be clear i have never called for these films to be humorless and self-serious; i just want the jokes to be better, to not appear compulsively thus flattening out the difference between heavy and fun scenes, and to seem like they come naturally out of the characters and their situation (including their universe). i have had this reaction to several non-SW movies of late so i don't think i'm just too precious about star wars. again i think this kind of thing was as destructive or moreso in Moana.

(my main argument with my niece afterwards was that chewie was obviously keeping them to eat later, she said no but she is wrong)

This is so great and makes me really look forward to the day I become an uncle :)

to be clear i have never called for these films to be humorless and self-serious; i just want the jokes to be better, to not appear compulsively thus flattening out the difference between heavy and fun scenes, and to seem like they come naturally out of the characters and their situation (including their universe).

otm

no one is saying Star Wars shouldn't have jokes

but i do think it was a fair assessment to say that han's comedy in the originals is in the lackadaisical murray/SNL pocket, and maybe we are stuck with the comedy we deserve in 2017. it's just a bummer to me cause i thought the holding-for-hux thing felt like something iron man would come up with, not something a space pilot would come up with. insofar as it had never occurred to me that prank calls and getting stuck on hold were things that happened in a spacefaring galaxy of laser swords and shaggy muppets. not a matter of star wars being sacred, but of jokes needing to feel like things that would actually come out of these characters' mouths. it'd be like if ben-hur suddenly launched into a variant on "who's on first?" - the gag is partly that this is a kind of gag that's out of place in this world, and i find that to be a pretty cheap way to get a laugh.

also, not saying these should or could be "timeless" but i feel like this current style dates the movie instantly and in a bad way. again some of the jokes here are good but some feel like they're scratching the same nervous itch of the studio notes. "i worry this scene might bum the audience out because it's about dreadful revelations and a character struggling with their destiny. can you add some comedy here? just have the actors improv some stuff and edit to the best bits, works every time!"