Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

that sarah jeong piece could have been good. but it was not. also there are way more than two guys in the field who have been called out. do your job.

the verge's risk-averse approach to reporting on anything tech makes them no better than sports or political media in their grubby devotion to precious, precious access

http://www.newsweek.com/metoo-microsoft-amazon-trafficking-prostitution-sex-silicon-valley-755611

If I were the writer of that Newsweek piece I might be annoyed that somebody had slapped a jocular "horny nest" lede on top of my serious reporting.

Accusations now being made against BRIGHT screenwriter and Carly Rae Jepsen enthusiast Max Landis.

I can’t imagine who is more scared in a post-Weinstein world than a famous director’s son.

— Allie Goertz (@AllieGoertz) November 7, 2017

Written by a psychopath who sexually abused and assaults women, right? Cool

— Anna Akana (@AnnaAkana) December 22, 2017

not saying that it wasnt. but joking about it is still making a safe space for enabling it

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, December 22, 2017 11:11 AM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Your weird hardline approach to this just makes me o_O

A woman making a joke abt it is not the same as Seth McFarlane doing so, those “she knew” posters ppl were putting up are fucked up also

yeah there's no honest way to know about the issues and come to the conclusion "you know who needs to be shamed for this? MERYL STREEP!" unless you're already gunning for her for other reasons. Which the dude who did this, by his own admission, was.

max landis? a creep? oh my stars and garters

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/soloish/wp/2017/12/21/whats-the-difference-between-sexual-assault-and-harassment-lets-break-it-down/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.f090794fc4f5

And here’s the big Vice story:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/23/business/media/vice-sexual-harassment.html

Are there any details of the max landis allegation besides that tweet?

Supposedly a lot of people know about that one.

It's impressive failsonning to actually be able to tarnish the good name of a guy who killed two children

and an adult tbf

If I were the writer of that Newsweek piece I might be annoyed that somebody had slapped a jocular "horny nest" lede on top of my serious reporting.

If I were the writer of that Newsweek piece, I might be annoyed at this amazing typo:

A day after Newsweek first contacted Microsoft for comment this week, an unknown number of Microsoft employees in Seattle received an email from Human Resources officials warning them: “Microsoft has been informed by the King County prosecutor’s office that they have obtained records in connection with a criminal enforcement activity related to a brother engaged in prostitution.”

jeez i know you shouldn't judge a book by its cover but that Land1$ fella is Stephen King tackle.

Well yeah because any major #12 will tell you there are almost zero brothers working on the Redmond campus

ayo sal

This bit is an insane pivot

Two women told The Times about episodes involving Mike Germano, Vice’s chief digital officer who founded Carrot Creative, the digital ad agency that Vice acquired in 2013. Amanda Rue, a former strategist, said that at Carrot’s holiday party in 2012 Mr. Germano told her that he hadn’t wanted to hire her because he wanted to have sex with her.

...

“Carrot has been repeatedly recognized as one of the industry’s best places to work, and I do not believe that these allegations reflect the company’s culture — or the way we treat each other,” Mr. Germano said in a statement.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/29/world/asia/japan-rape.html

"It's impressive failsonning to actually be able to tarnish the good name of a guy who killed two children"

that was john landis, not max landis

I know

oh i understand it now. I am too old to be hip to this millenial failsonning lingo you ilxors like to toss about

please keep the star wars talk in its own thread

That Shiori Ito story is another reminder that some parts of the NYT deserve to exist

:)

hot take

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/05/opinion/golden-globes-metoo.html

By DAPHNE MERKIN

umm

Not sure if I mentioned this before but I wonder if any of the thousands of women Castro is supposed to have had sex with will say anything.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/film/four-women-accuse-filmmaker-paul-haggis-of-sexual-misconduct/article37513276/

Ben Vereen apologizes to Hair actresses

http://variety.com/2018/legit/news/ben-vereen-accused-sexual-harassment-1202654320/

haggis is the scientology escapee, no? i could see this being an opportunistic plot to take him down coordinated by scientology. or maybe he's just a shitty person, which is equally plausible.

Yeah, I wouldn't want to make a call one way or another but I had the same initial reaction about Haggis. This is exactly how the CoS goes after those who've gotten out, and I can totally see them using the current flurry of allegations as a smokescreen.

or on the other hand, like in the overwhelming majority of cases where multiple women accuse a man of sexual harassment/abuse, he might just be an abuser

true. also he is a shitty filmmaker.

that merkin article is fucking stupid. is anyone actually equating flirting with the stuff we are talking about? what kind of fucking strawman argument is that?

Yeah, loads of blokes are..

daphne merkin sucked 20 years ago when she was writing about spanking in the new yorker too

fucking tina brown

maura I have earnestly valued yr insights into long-running hacks in media

otm

thanks! it's important especially now that nobody has an institutional memory and the trump administration has seemingly flushed out every '90s hack. can't wait for elizabeth wurtzel's take on all thi—oh lol

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/10/17/villains-like-harvey-weinstein-arent-new-villains-getting-caught-is/?utm_term=.877196a659d3

haha

Wurtzel! Slooooowly I turn....

daphne merkin sucked 20 years ago when she was writing about spanking in the new yorker too

I know she's written other things, but that's the first thing I think of when I see her mentioned.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/01/05/he-said-she-said-she-said-she-said-the-new-york-times-will-send-a-message-in-golden-globes-ad/?__twitter_impression=true&tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.669377ba8a4c

> is anyone actually equating flirting with the stuff we are talking about

The GHWBush and AlFranken allegations skirt this territory. Personally, were I politically ambitious, I would keep my hands visible (and above shoulder level) in all photographs.

I'm all for someone with moral authority articulating red lines for where flirting edges into acts that make others uncomfortable. Alas, its a huge grey zone, and no one is drawing clear lines. Even in this thread there are people who find complements about hair styles creepy. Better to not risk it.

There's a glib assumption that everyone knows what's appropriate. Lots of us don't. We don't intentionally flirt, we shy away from touch because we don't know where the lines are drawn. Now that I know that complimenting someone on their hair can come off creepy, its yet another form of human interaction foreclosed. Those of you who think that everyone intuits the lines, and they don't need to be clearly designated, had a richer social upbringing than some of us.

There's a glib assumption that everyone knows what's appropriate. Lots of us don't. We don't intentionally flirt, we shy away from touch because we don't know where the lines are drawn. Now that I know that complimenting someone on their hair can come off creepy, its yet another form of human interaction foreclosed. Those of you who think that everyone intuits the lines, and they don't need to be clearly designated, had a richer social upbringing than some of us.

― Sanpaku, Saturday, January 6, 2018 10:44 PM (seventeen seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's not even just a matter of everyone knowing or not what is appropriate, it's knowing what is appropriate for different/individual people. If one acknowledges that and takes his or her behaviour from there you're well on the good path.

I think people do intentionally flirt, well some of us do (and I know I at times do), but only when it's completely clear that it is ok between me and that other person. And complimenting someone shouldn't be conflated with flirting either imo. I complimented a cashier I meet regularly on her new hair colour recently, because a) it looks great and b) I knew she'd wholly appreciate a compliment on it. It wan't even flirting. It was giving a compliment to someone you know will appreciate it.

But I agree a lot of people don't intuit the lines, though. And one should know that giving a compliment can for the other person feel like flirting. In which case one should refrain from doing so. Think of what the other person would respect, and if you don't know, steer clear. Don't be an asshole. It's a shame a lot of people don't intuitively know what is right or wrong or - regardless of upbringing - don't have that radar.

Aside from inprisonment/ostracisation of the real sexual predators, the one thing I hope results from this is some clarification of where those red lines are. I think that there would be a vast difference even among avowed feminists as to where those lines are, and of the editorals, I'm most interested in the those that attempt to draw them.

I think we can all agree to not touch without clear consent, and not make overtures if told no. More debatable, but I think most might agree to not comment on parts of appearance a person has little control over, at least with strangers. To include not mentioning weight unless someone is clearly fishing for complements on their diet. But haircut/haircolor? I think most can agree that those aren't creepy: its the leering person who says them that is.

But it would certainly be nice if someone would provide a guide as to where the consensus is, if there is one. A set of rules. For those of us that don't know, at present job safety means silence.

there is no ultimate set of "not being a creep cheat codes" that apply equally, which is sorta the point?? you're not listening to what LBI is saying: it's knowing what is appropriate for different/individual people. If one acknowledges that and takes his or her behaviour from there you're well on the good path. i.e. you have to actually pay attention to the person you're talking to, put yourself in their shoes, to understand where to draw the line and guess what - that line might shift tomorrow depending on a lot of other stuff and it's up to you to stay sensitive to those shifts too. nobody ever said scoring was easy eh?

if the price of people not getting harrassed or fucked with, at work or anywhere else, is that some dudes feel a little unsure about whether or not they should put the moves on someone, that's an utterly tiny price to pay