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Another rape and Logan doesn't seem to have an alibi again. I know it's too early to start guessing, but half the fun is turning out to be spectacularly wrong.

― Cressida Breem (neruokruokruokne?), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

Ed Begley, Jr. is the rapist! I'm sure of it!

Good episode. I know the first major mystery seems a bit downplayed, but they're fighting to get new viewers. I like the mysterys-of-the-week.

― The Ultimate Conclusion (lokar), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 17:51 (nineteen years ago)

But this MOW was pretty paltry. Oh noes, lost playbook means no scholarship for big guy about whom I don't care.

― c('°c) (Leee), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

OK, so, at first I was annoyed because there doesn't seem to be as big a mystery this season, as you've all discussed. But I think introducing some huge mystery in the first episode can cause some pacing problems. It's hard to spread something out for so long, if it's not a really HUGE DEAL -- which is why I think Season Two had so much trouble in the middle. So, yeah, it's ok. I liked Weevil in this episode.

― gunther heartymeal (keckles), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, she's only been in college for about three days now, let her settle in before you call for her head on some Buffy-meets-Colombo-or-else-it's-fatwa-time shit.

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

Weevil seems like shitty life has humbled him a lot.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

Shit; I was watching the Mets and I missed this ep. Now I have to remember how to make bittorrent work.

― Pork Cheops (willpie), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:51 (nineteen years ago)

can we trade Piz for Trish?

― milo z (mlp), Thursday, 19 October 2006 01:56 (nineteen years ago)

i am totally on board w/ this season so far. i was also hoping for a lot more "Weevil & Mars Invetigates", but I can see the benefit to having him on campus plot-wise. the portrayal of college mostly rings true for me, i have to say.

― PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Thursday, 19 October 2006 02:28 (nineteen years ago)

I hope that the dorky RA isn't the rapist, because that would be a really boring reveal. Ed Begley Jr. can't be the rapist; people would notice the dean cruising dorm parties.

This episode was alright. The use of "Hold On Hold On" made me happy, and Veronica's complete hatred of painter-stalker guy cracked me up. Her sudden realization that tracing Logan's car was a mistake was highly lame, though.

― clotpoll (Clotpoll), Thursday, 19 October 2006 05:56 (nineteen years ago)

Weevil's investigative career might not be over, Veronica doesn't work there anymore either and it doesn't stop her.

― Cressida Breem (neruokruokruokne?), Thursday, 19 October 2006 12:43 (nineteen years ago)

Logan has turned into Ned Nickerson.

― GILLY'S BAGG'EAR VANCE OF COUPARI (Ex Leon), Thursday, 19 October 2006 12:51 (nineteen years ago)

Dorky RA won't be the rapist because he's already been fingered as a suspect.

Weevil, Junior ~~Veronica Mars~~ Detective was awesome and so sad to see it end (presumably) so soon.

― c('°c) (Leee), Thursday, 19 October 2006 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

Weevil got fat in the big house.

― milo z (mlp), Thursday, 19 October 2006 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

I can't get over how buff Logan is now! He's not even that cute anymore, I miss skinny Logan.

I kind of hated the Logan/Veronica business in this episode, right up until the final scenes in the library, and then I gave in to the sentimental romance and got all teary-eyed.

Love that Weevil is back, and yeah I think they could have let him be mini-detective for at least a couple of episodes...

― Hanna (Hanna), Thursday, 19 October 2006 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

all the dudes on this show got weirdly puffy in the offseason. I was really sad they nipped the weevil/keith as partners storyline so immediately in the bud. it was my favorite thing to happen so far this season.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Friday, 20 October 2006 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

I'm already a little sick of the "those crazy feminists!" portrayal of the women's group on campus. They all talked like hippies from some production of Hair.

I know, right? this show has weird gender politics. I used to chalk it up to the noir thing, but it hasn't even been that noir this season.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Friday, 20 October 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't realize it at the time, but this is suck a common tv trope. Lots of male writers scarred by freshman orientation experiences?

― Mary (Mary), Friday, 20 October 2006 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

Doesn't seem that odd to me given that the feminists are upset by a wave of rapes on campus, many of which are happening to their friends. You should be more upset about the horrible bald caps that the makeup dept uses.

― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Friday, 20 October 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think the existence of feminists on campus is odd, obviously, just the way the show played them as slightly ridiculous.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Friday, 20 October 2006 18:08 (nineteen years ago)

Based on how just nearly every presence on the show is characterized (good/bad Logman, sorority = bad no wait they're cool people actually, yeah journalists rawk wait they're cliquey too omg), I wouldn't be surprised if one of the feminists gets fleshed out to break out of the Shrill & Humorless mode.

― c('°c) (Leee), Friday, 20 October 2006 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

Nice shoes, you change your major to womens' studies?

― milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 02:02 (nineteen years ago)

oh my god, is there nowhere I can be safe from that fucker Logan from the Gilmore Girls?

what the fuck kind of feminists don't want to know who's actually responsible for a rape. absurd strawman feminists, that's who.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 02:22 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not really enjoying Tortured Logan episodes. And having this as a Veronica/Logan two-hander ain't gonna work.

― milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 02:46 (nineteen years ago)

Not enough Wallace.

― Cressida Breem (neruokruokruokne?), Thursday, 26 October 2006 00:41 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, it's just mean to have him show up for .2 seconds.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Thursday, 26 October 2006 01:16 (nineteen years ago)

More Wallace, more Weevil, Logan should go on a European trip to find himself.

― J (Jay), Thursday, 26 October 2006 12:49 (nineteen years ago)

So what did you think? I loved that we got a lot of Weevil, and I hated Veronica for pinning him as the robber. Mystery of the week was good as well, the most complex one so far this season I think. And hahaha Logan & Veronica as White Stripes!

― Hanna (Hanna), Thursday, 2 November 2006 00:27 (nineteen years ago)

agree. back to back good episodes have me encouraged that it hasn't been ruined/buried by too many college cliches and Ed Beagley.

― Jimmy_tango (Jimmy_tango), Thursday, 2 November 2006 01:31 (nineteen years ago)

This was the most enjoyable episode they've had so far. Though I can't believe Wallace is that stupid, and Veronica's not exactly at her brightest either. But Lamb and Cliff were hilarious. "Hey, good-lookin', we'll be back to pick you up later."

― clotpoll (Clotpoll), Thursday, 2 November 2006 04:38 (nineteen years ago)

best episode of the season so far. and yeah, Veronica was totally hateful, accusing Weevil.

Cliff!!!

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Thursday, 2 November 2006 07:03 (nineteen years ago)

Nother good episode! Except I think I missed something: Claire wasn't raped after all? Why did she say she was?

Piz is still the suck, however.

― c('°c) (Leee), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

So the feminists could prove how evil frat boys are!

Since they talked about there being no physical evidence in this ep I'm afraid it's going to turn out that the feminists were the culprits in all of the rapes in some crazyass attempt to get rid of the greek system.

― Beth S. (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

i'm sure, whether they actually were raped or not, the outcome will be MORE SHOCKING THAN ANYONE EVER IMAGINED!!!

― lemin (lemin), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

This show is dead to me.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, for serious. what the fuck?

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

I wish I could go back in time and cancel it after its one perfect season.

― Melissa W (Melissa W), Thursday, 9 November 2006 00:37 (nineteen years ago)

I'm probably going to keep watching it, because I'm a sucker, but I'm very unimpressed with the girl-makes-up-a-rape storyline.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Thursday, 9 November 2006 01:22 (nineteen years ago)

Has there been a single episode yet this season where all the people in the titles actually appeared?

It's getting different to remember the huge influx of minor characters, and the relationships they all forged with Veronica 5 episodes ago before never being mentioned again until now. The Jewish kid and the lad who bullied him in the second episode got another mention too, so they'll be back to carry on that storyline at least 5 episodes after it was started. They should stick to a few short term story arcs that last 4 or 5 episodes instead of trying to fit so many in at the same time and jumping between them.

― Cressida Breem (neruokruokruokne?), Thursday, 9 November 2006 02:49 (nineteen years ago)

o everything was better in the olden days

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 9 November 2006 03:41 (nineteen years ago)

BAN VERONICA MARS

― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Thursday, 9 November 2006 03:53 (nineteen years ago)

I think they've decided to have three major mysteries in the season, which is a lot more short-term than before. I imagine that Mac is really important in at least one of them, so they're keeping her out of the episodes where she wouldn't contribute much. I kind of like the way they have things laid out, I just wish the execution wasn't so worrying. I don't hate the new season, at least not yet, but it is making me wonder what the hell the writers are up to, and not in a good way.

― clotpoll (Clotpoll), Thursday, 9 November 2006 04:29 (nineteen years ago)

It was kind of rocky there at the beginning but I think this season is beginning to gain some momentum. Definitely not as good as the first season but hey, there is always a chance that the Piz will be violently murdered.

― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Friday, 10 November 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

Oct 18: i was also hoping for a lot more "Weevil & Mars Invetigates"

Typo or The Office reference?

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

cousin larry otm, these last two eps have been great

― ^@^ (map), Friday, 10 November 2006 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

i've seen a few episodes of this show recently... is it anything but ZOMG!WTF! plot twists?

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Friday, 10 November 2006 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

wry commentary, MYSTERY!

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 10 November 2006 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

some of the jokes have been really bad this season and there are quite a lot of times where keith will just smile and put his head down... that's my biggest gripe.

second biggest is chubby, acned weevil.

― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Friday, 10 November 2006 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

OTM

― milo z (mlp), Friday, 10 November 2006 22:59 (nineteen years ago)

CW extends Mars, One Tree Hill
College detective and teen drama get three more episodes each.

The CW network has extended the lives of two of its shows, college detective Veronica Mars and teen drama One Tree Hill. Both shows have been given orders for three more episodes apiece.

Mars has held steady since its third-season premier in October, matching its series-best ratings and retaining much of its Gilmore Girls lead-in. At the TCA in July, show-runner Rob Thomas said he was "acting like man who had been given a full season order."

Hill has seen ratings growth this season, retaining almost 90 percent of its America's Next Top Model lead-in teen audience. The show beat Fox's The O.C. last week in adults 18 to 49, with a 1.6 rating/4 share and has improved 14 percent in the demo compared to last year.

Both Mars and Hill had been on the bubble when The WB and UPN merged into The CW in the spring. Fans breathed easy when they both made the cut to the new network, but the CW hasn't broken out in the ratings as had hoped, and the shows aren't out of the woods yet.

The CW was expected to reap the rewards of having the combined fans of the highest-rated shows from each of the former networks. Instead, the new net pulls in about the same exact amount of viewers as either of those networks did by themselves.

― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Friday, 10 November 2006 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

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