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sleepingbag, you bring up some really good points. you might want to thoroughly document them and post them to yammer or another shared space at your workplace.

i wouldn't dare, bc hurting a woman's feelings in the workplace is basically a crime. Qed.

however on a message board thread called post a controversial opinion that you actually believe, i might just.. post a controversial opinion that i actually believe

usually some light involved in a QED event

we've got this system where we don't even have to say it

― .oO (silby), Friday, December 15, 2017 10:39 PM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i just tried to like this post

*boops Hoos on the nose*

I thought the "hoo boys/this outa be good" were about Automatic for the People. Now I am disappointed it's about a sad man writing paragraphs (that I didn't read).

out of time is good

The idea that Automatic for the People is the object of widespread intense devotion in 2017 seems like the most controversial part of that opinion, tbh.

Sad Man Him Write Paragraphs

maybe they play Man On the Moon in that hot jim carrey doc?

Automatic is good, but overrated. All the IRS records are better, and I also prefer Green.

automatic is my least favorite with berry

So many old school ilxors on my fb feed are super stoked that Automatic is finally being lauded as an underrated masterpiece. It's making me angry.

eh not really -- it's been a five-star masterpiece for old RS types for twenty-five years. A reaction set in. I hadn't heard it in years until a couple of anniversary pieces got published. It's good!

People are spazzing over Ignoreland. IGNORELAND. This is a fresh, Trump hellscape.

what part of "They desecrate the winter" or "Capital colateral/Brooding duplicitous, wicked and able, media-ready, heartless and labeled" don't you agree with

Oh, you are on that recent thread that made me mad! Someone texted me a couple of months ago after seeing people argue that AFTP was the best REM album and he wanted to know my thoughts since they were my favorite band for two decades. I reviewed every song again and was, like, nope, there are at least four albums that are superior in context of when they were released and the evolution of their lineup and as a standalone. But then I started seeing all the falling down the stairs tributes. I obviously live in a different universe.

yep

People are spazzing over Ignoreland. IGNORELAND. This is a fresh, Trump hellscape.

― Yerac, Saturday, December 16, 2017 10:21 AM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark

genuinely made me lol. totally conceivable in the current atmosphere.

I can think of four better R.E.M albums too without impugning AFTP.

Isn't it basically

40+: "Document is the best R.E.M. album"
30-40: "Automatic for the People is the best R.E.M. album"
20-30: "This Lil Pump video is ICONIC"

I am in the 30-40 age range basically. I didn't know so many people were dying to voluntarily listen to Star Me Kitten... or Everybody Hurts for the 1000th time.

Now I have to look up Lil Pump.

I just read the below comment about Star Me Kitten on youtube and now maybe now it's my favorite song.

"So he got a new car now he wants his cat to f*ck him? and this isn't Japanese?"

I am 32, and REM is a full house joke to me

(And that one music video)

Isn't it basically

40+: "Document is the best R.E.M. album"
30-40: "Automatic for the People is the best R.E.M. album"
20-30: "This Lil Pump video is ICONIC"

― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, December 16, 2017 9:47 AM (fifty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

amazing post whiney

I occasionally enjoy Ed Byrne and didn't realise people particularly dislike him.

Whitney otm

Huge part of automatics appeal for the millenials is we grew up with this record. I had the cd as a teen, it's nostalgia fodder

i had the cd as a teen too
and somehow i am not nostalgic for it at all, nor am i in the correct age bracket per whiney's post or per Ross's millennial "we"

i think it's also that R.E.M. had broken out huge w/Out of Time and this was the subsequent album, which didn't disappoint anyone who hopped onboard w/OOT and i think the old school fans enjoyed it too. and it fit perfectly in w/radio at that time, both alt rock and mainstream and also adult contemporary a bit iirc. it sold something like 4 million copies. it was released at the right time in terms of the record industry, media exposure, and their career arc.

thread has turned into ILM Lite

Lol lechera, can't believe I so hastily
Identified with millenials, must be tired :)

I haven't really posted since maybe 2005 and I just really needed to vent on this total madness. All the AFTP wowsers (the ones I know personally) are over 40. I have never met a person who said Document was their favorite REM record.

All the AFTP R.E.M. wowsers I know personally are over 40

I miss bros and hipsters. The male cultural archetypes jave merged somehow. Finance dudes have those severe Hitlerian haircuts you used to only see from guys in indie bands. People you would once call hipsters are fully plugged into the zeitgeist. The culture is too constraining to be a contrarian and besides there is no such thing as obscurity in the age of youtube and spotify.

I mean, there is, but all anyone talks about is Trump anyway.

olds like murmur i think. i mean so do i.

finally bought Automatic used on CD about 6 months ago for a road trip... and then sold it back about 2 months later. Green was the last thing they did that i care to sit through.

so maybe my 'controversial op' is that Green is pretty damn solid, even if i p much always hated "Stand"

Document is MY favorite REM album, but everybody I know likes Murmur best, or claims to.

For "favorite" read "the only one I ever made it all the way through."

treeship, hipsters are still there, they just quit facebook 7 years ago and don't post on social media, which means they're practically invisible.

What ~do~ they do nowadays?

All downhill from Chronic Town.

For "favorite" read "the only one I ever made it all the way through."

― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, December 16, 2017 9:08 PM

I've been hearing people say things like this a lot and I don't know if they mean they literally haven't listened to a whole album or that they just don't tend to? I cant imagine just switching albums off so easily.

I don't agree that "hipsters" as they were 10 years ago or thru the 00s exist anymore. I think treeship is right, although I don't particularly miss them or bros. Everyone is plugged into the same thing, everything orbiting Trump is sadly otm, even if it's like "i don't give a shit." writing an anti-Trump song or make a statement is the most predictable and boring thing an artist could do. totally different than the GWB years, when Lightning Bolt wrote "what the worlds needs is another dead cowboy" and Kanye West said "George Bush doesn't care about black people" on national tv. the Dixie Chicks were pilloried by the media and their fans and Clear Channel.

the hipster subculture/counterculture of the 00s that spawned all the new weird america bands and noise bands and wham city and fort thunder, that collapsed because of the decline of CD-R's and the corporate vinyl boom, which has made DIY touring so much harder for independent bands. indie bands with only a demo (if that) now hire managers, agents, lawyers, and booking agents really early, and those bands get written about.

anyway, bros and hipsters were v toxic and misogynistic. bros are obvious, and one needs only to look at old posts on ILX to see the typical hipster mindset/pose. I lament the loss of musical subculture and underground, and that brief period in the 00s when artists like Dan Deacon and Animal Collective could license their songs to Crayola without having to make some indie apologia. now everyone is doing car commercials and all the rock bands are incredibly boring. girlpool being an exception.