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The problems of white people are not based on the actions of a minority, Mordy.

I’m actually pretty sure that what you posted doesn’t qualify for this thread at all. It’s the position of a strong majority of (surprise) white males.

Doing math homework while stoned is fun

― brimstead, Thursday, December 14, 2017 10:44 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

math is hard enough already for me and if i smoke a little it's impossible

Same

Blaming is fun and necessary

Also worth noting that Mordy posting that to ilx counts as controp obv

are people really encountering anti-net-neutrality arguments in the wild? I haven't seen ANY and I've seen quite a lot of chatter on the subject

― Simon H., Thursday, December 14, 2017 11:36 AM (yesterday)

i'm not anti net neutrality - i think net neutrality is a good thing - but i'm anti people telling me to sign an online petition and then being furious that their online petitions are being ignored. and yeah, i'm cynical but i feel like a lot of this is a fight between giant corporations. i'm old enough to remember when there actually was a Backbone Cabal that exercised control over content. it wasn't good, but neither was it the end of the world. the only way this really would be disastrous was if strong sapir-whorf was valid, which it isn't.

that said this thing has definite implications for political speech on the internet, and the internet outrage machine has helped limit some of the damage that might otherwise have been done, even if i'm lukewarm on the long-term utility of an uncontrolled outrage machine, and on the general utility of internet political speech in general.

Blaming is fun and necessary

― remember the lmao (darraghmac)

show trials are not necessarily unjust

cite: d.c. stephenson's murder trial

I think the intense love Automatic for the People is baffling.

yeah i had to tell everybody in the pub last night to stop going on and on about it

the same ppl who talk about the problems of white ppl and the problems of males based on the actions of a minority of both groups (due to condemnations of systemic factors within the groups themselves and their construction that allow those group individuals to lash out) do not do the same with other non-white non-male groups. they consider the former critical theory, & the latter bigotry. it's hypocrisy and the cheapened idea that power can only flow one direction to justify it is just putting lipstick on a hypocrite.

― Mordy, Friday, December 15, 2017 6:50 AM (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ppl make these arguments out of emotion entirely, & so they are easily dismissable

obviously no white person making an argument against 'white people' as a whole actually believes it, and a non-white person making the same argument is clearly not thinking 'by making this condemnation of an entire race/skin-color, i legitimize the arguments made against my own race/skin-color'

similarly, we as a society have agreed to humor the opinions of women venting about the awfulness of men and see these for the emotional release they are instead of taking them seriously, while completely demonizing/criminalizing any man who dares to make a statement that could even be mistakenly interpreted as applying to all women. it's a part of men's strength that we can kind of take the high road and 'yes dear' these arguments instead of reacting to them with the same hysteria that comes when the shoe is on the other foot. there's nothing imo that is going to change this dynamic, it's just how men and women are wired.

hoo boy

At least we're getting the ideological diversity treeship was looking for.

This oughta be good

which statement can get you fired/red-lettered: 'ignore him, he's a man, they're all idiots' vs. 'ignore her, she's a woman, they're all idiots':

This oughta be good

― In a slipshod style (Ross), Friday, December 15, 2017 3:35 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i assure you it won't. nobody here will have anything to say except 'ban'

we've got this system where we don't even have to say it

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/p__/images/8/80/Archie-Bunker.jpg

sleepingbag, you bring up some really good points. you might want to thoroughly document them and post them to yammer or another shared space at your workplace.

i wouldn't dare, bc hurting a woman's feelings in the workplace is basically a crime. Qed.

however on a message board thread called post a controversial opinion that you actually believe, i might just.. post a controversial opinion that i actually believe

usually some light involved in a QED event

we've got this system where we don't even have to say it

― .oO (silby), Friday, December 15, 2017 10:39 PM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i just tried to like this post

*boops Hoos on the nose*

I thought the "hoo boys/this outa be good" were about Automatic for the People. Now I am disappointed it's about a sad man writing paragraphs (that I didn't read).

out of time is good

The idea that Automatic for the People is the object of widespread intense devotion in 2017 seems like the most controversial part of that opinion, tbh.

Sad Man Him Write Paragraphs

maybe they play Man On the Moon in that hot jim carrey doc?

Automatic is good, but overrated. All the IRS records are better, and I also prefer Green.

automatic is my least favorite with berry

So many old school ilxors on my fb feed are super stoked that Automatic is finally being lauded as an underrated masterpiece. It's making me angry.

eh not really -- it's been a five-star masterpiece for old RS types for twenty-five years. A reaction set in. I hadn't heard it in years until a couple of anniversary pieces got published. It's good!

People are spazzing over Ignoreland. IGNORELAND. This is a fresh, Trump hellscape.

what part of "They desecrate the winter" or "Capital colateral/Brooding duplicitous, wicked and able, media-ready, heartless and labeled" don't you agree with

Oh, you are on that recent thread that made me mad! Someone texted me a couple of months ago after seeing people argue that AFTP was the best REM album and he wanted to know my thoughts since they were my favorite band for two decades. I reviewed every song again and was, like, nope, there are at least four albums that are superior in context of when they were released and the evolution of their lineup and as a standalone. But then I started seeing all the falling down the stairs tributes. I obviously live in a different universe.

yep

People are spazzing over Ignoreland. IGNORELAND. This is a fresh, Trump hellscape.

― Yerac, Saturday, December 16, 2017 10:21 AM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark

genuinely made me lol. totally conceivable in the current atmosphere.

I can think of four better R.E.M albums too without impugning AFTP.

Isn't it basically

40+: "Document is the best R.E.M. album"
30-40: "Automatic for the People is the best R.E.M. album"
20-30: "This Lil Pump video is ICONIC"

I am in the 30-40 age range basically. I didn't know so many people were dying to voluntarily listen to Star Me Kitten... or Everybody Hurts for the 1000th time.

Now I have to look up Lil Pump.

I just read the below comment about Star Me Kitten on youtube and now maybe now it's my favorite song.

"So he got a new car now he wants his cat to f*ck him? and this isn't Japanese?"

I am 32, and REM is a full house joke to me

(And that one music video)

Isn't it basically

40+: "Document is the best R.E.M. album"
30-40: "Automatic for the People is the best R.E.M. album"
20-30: "This Lil Pump video is ICONIC"

― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, December 16, 2017 9:47 AM (fifty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

amazing post whiney

I occasionally enjoy Ed Byrne and didn't realise people particularly dislike him.

Whitney otm

Huge part of automatics appeal for the millenials is we grew up with this record. I had the cd as a teen, it's nostalgia fodder

i had the cd as a teen too
and somehow i am not nostalgic for it at all, nor am i in the correct age bracket per whiney's post or per Ross's millennial "we"

i think it's also that R.E.M. had broken out huge w/Out of Time and this was the subsequent album, which didn't disappoint anyone who hopped onboard w/OOT and i think the old school fans enjoyed it too. and it fit perfectly in w/radio at that time, both alt rock and mainstream and also adult contemporary a bit iirc. it sold something like 4 million copies. it was released at the right time in terms of the record industry, media exposure, and their career arc.