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If you suspected it was consensus you'd have kept it in your nappy

I think mordy is a hypocrite who lacks self awareness

I always knew that someday this thread would turn into personal attacks against other ilxors disguised as "controversial opinions". I'm surprised it took this long. Not surprised it was deej who broke the barrier.

FP'ed him btw.

Eh Jesus steady on

j/k

Cap'n' Save-a-Mordy

i do appreciate mordy's willingness to go against ILX orthodoxy and i think his diagnosis of ILX is mostly true, though it seems like most people are happy with it like this. there is certainly much less board drama than there used to be, though part of that could be that ILX has like fifty regular posters with an average age in the 40s these days

XP warrin d had to regul8

xxp You're holding the wrong end of the stick.

it seems like most people are happy with it like this. there is certainly much less board drama than there used to be, though part of that could be that ILX has like fifty regular posters with an average age in the 40s these days

― k3vin k., Saturday, December 9, 2017 2:11 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

idk if people are happy. shit is kind of stale, dude. we should do like cruise ships and have different special events. poker night, singles night, karaoke, etc.

Personal attacks happened before d-40 if u must kno

Cunts

lol. deej pile-ons are p good even if i think pile-ons, in principle, lead to conformism

temple of doom is the best indiana jones movie

some rando posting on a meaningless message board

he says, 2 years after giving up his data mining project (we hope) to stick around for the meaningless threads

I resent Mordy’s argument that we don’t welcome controversy but it is true that we also have a dedicated thread for summarizing “clusterfuck” discussions where folks get heated to combustion over stuff.

I also mildly resent the way a lot of posters have developed their “I’m CONTROVERSIAL” performative identities on these borads but a lot of us of are guilty of that

we can unban “The Sniper” and whatever sock “larry appleton” was last traveling under, but the FP/SB counts bear out what this community wants from its mods. Morbius, Mordy, Deej, Turrican et al are still here for lots of good reasons. This is not a place where we intentionally dismiss voices that don’t cling to an arbitrary canon. There is no king, nor star chamber.

We should probably work on how we phrase our disagreements but that is true everywhere, including “real life”

If you suspected it was consensus you'd have kept it in your nappy

― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Saturday, December 9, 2017 12:25 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Lol yeah you know me a real slave to ilx consensus

Mordy’s issues w the “consensus” are with a specific consensus not all consensus... for such a straight shooter he sure does have a substantial number of ppl backing him up in these “deej pile ons”

The opposite meaning to that

But look I clown u hard because you seem to be in that wheelhouse

I welcome deej on ilx long may he stay etc

Morbius, Mordy, Deej, Turrican et al are still here for lots of good reasons.

Now you are insulting Mordy. And Morbz. Abd Deej.

Haha well I did put him last

ContrOp: Pretty much every song from the Christmas music canon up through like 'All I Want for Christmas is You' is an evergreen. Even the ones that are objectively bad (e.g. Mannheim Steamroller, novelty songs, etc.).

(Non-ContrOp: No one should have to be involuntarily exposed to any of these songs.)

If we were in 30's Berlin we'd all be Nazi's.
― Sylvestre, Wednesday, November 20, 2002 8:58 AM (fifteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is thee classic controp and I'm inclined to agree more than disagree. Not because I feel some seed of hate inside me, just basic knowledge of group psychology

Idk what "group" do you belong to? What flock do you fly with?

https://harpers.org/archive/1941/08/who-goes-nazi/

(only read the first of three pages but is that really from 1941?! because goddamn)

group of people iirc

i think i'd beat any current or recent ilxor at a libertarian ideological turing test

― flopson, Saturday, December 9, 2017 12:12 AM (eighteen hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

like academic libertarian or American politics libertarian

― mh, Saturday, December 9, 2017 12:50 AM (seventeen hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don't know much about the US libertarian party if that's what you mean by the latter. i can do Nozick, Hayek, Rand, techno-utopian, generic pragmatic libertarian economist, raging online doofus; the whole gamut

i can handle someone like Will Wilkinson (who really reads like a standard issue neolib more than anything resembling a "libertarian" in 2017) but really fuck like 99.4% of those clowns

― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Saturday, December 9, 2017 1:05 AM (seventeen hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i like the will wilkinson people a lot, actually

"we'd all be nazi's" isn't a controp, rather a copout imo. we'll never find out, for one.

imo as a purely statistical/probabilistic argument, it's sound

any individual can be uncertain of whether or not they'd have been a nazi, but if you get a large enough group together you can be certain some would have been nazis

the great thing about the US is there’s no clear delineation between techno-libertarian and the libertarian party, just a couple short hops from SV dudes who hate rules and go to burning man over to the national libertarian party convention where there’s a naked dude jumping around on stage

tech-libertarians mostly vote for the democratic party ime

you should read some hackernews comments on social issues, it’d disabuse you of that

“peter thiel did nothing wrong!”

ya there's diff levels; i try to not seek out the nutsos

"we'd all be nazi's" isn't a controp, rather a copout imo. we'll never find out, for one.

I agree that it was very poorly phrased, and if it were reframed more sensibly, for example, "we all have the potential to be reshaped by circumstance, including groupthink and coercion, either to become Nazis or to tolerate Nazism", then it would be stripped of most of its controversial appearance.

rest-of-the-universe football > american football

not a controp on ilx but very much so on the secret u.s.-only ilx board

I'm pretty sure some of us have much less of that potential. 2xp

xxxp @ aimless: well yeah, banality of evil iirc.

Xps played at a reasonable volume

Otm

I avoid almost all live music bc of this

and

I would like to join all other grumps and declare the concerts should be quick, early, played at a reasonable volume, and offer seating.

Guys, your local symphony/concert hall needs you and you clearly need it.

a. yes, music played too loud just doesn't even sound like good?
b. yes, love my local symphony/concert hall - also my mom's job is symphony musician so I grew up w/it and it's my yardstick for a good live music experience

not a controp on ilx but very much so on the secret u.s.-only ilx board

― fuiud, mac (rip van wanko)

all the secret u.s. only ilx board ever does is get yessed out late at night

people on my facebook feed keep urging me to fill out online petitions to save the internet. i'm unconvinced that the internet is worth saving. is that a controp?

xpost think it depends on genre. I go to metal and punk shows and like if you aren't gonna play it loud, I coulda sat at home and listened to it on my headset...but like stuff less abrasive, I can see how "god turn it down" might be preferable

Metal on mute is entertaining

sleepingbag forgot to log back into your primary account mang

Cool it moustache rapist

earplugs are good for really loud shows and to be able to feel screechy-ass vocals in your body, it has to be ear-destroying

being at a show with amazing sound is great, ability to clearly hear lyrics (or as clearly as they want them in the mix) and get solid bass reverberation, body resonant midrange, all without the threat of hearing loss

I would guess you could do it with really expensive speakers or a phenomenally talented soundboard engineer but I can count the number of shows fitting the bill on my hands

Meshuggah were a show that was mixed greatly last year. they're a band where if you lose sonic quality due to overamplification, the show is pretty much ruined, so they had it at a volume that was plenty loud enough to enjoy it whereas it wasn't going to give you hearing loss.

i'm a lifelong metalhead that has long disregarded sound advice on protecting his ears and even I walked out on a Withered set once because the sound was painfully loud to the point where I couldn't be in the building anymore.

I'm sure we all have that one show we'd take back just to spare our ears

there are now some really good options for better quality earplugs in the $20 range that are much better sound wise than foam, though I'm sure the custom fit ones are even better

my fave is showing up to see wolf eyes when the show was painfully under promoted and on a week night. after they started there were very shortly maybe five people up front with good earplugs and a handful huddling near the door, in a pretty long, narrow venue

I’ve bought nearly all the $20ish ones and they’re great! only used foam generic ear protection ones maybe twice in my life