Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

btw Sam Seder has been rehired by MSNBC

Harold Ford, Jr.: https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-congressman-harold-ford-jr-173325565.html

I don't know why I thought Ford Jr was run out of Congress for sexual misconduct. Maybe I am remembering third-hand rumors funneled through my wife's friends from high school.

The hackiest of hacks – the one dude who couldn't win in a historic Democratic year because he thought it was 1996 and he could get away with opposing gay marriage and supporting intercession in the Terri Schiavo case.

"Several women have written recently that they fear a coming backlash—that one false allegation against a famous man will bring this whole new reality crashing down, or that in the understandable urge to name names, women will be seen as the aggressors, out to tar every man’s reputation. I have those fears too, but I also fear the consequences of overcorrection, of the concept of harassment ballooning to include perfectly legitimate attempts at seduction—the initial touch, the scooting closer in the booth, the drunken sloppy first kiss, the occasional bad call or failed pass."

I worry about the combination of these things turning the whole movement into a tightrope walk. If just one major accusation comes out as verifiably false for some reason, or if too many accusations fall into that slippery slope overcorrection NBD category she mentions, it will give something that general management/HR/board members etc can point to when there is pressure to fire an accused member of their team. A lot of the accused are very important to their organizations in one way or another, but the current public pressure to cut ties is so great that it outweighs other options they have to deal with the situation that they might have preferred for the sake of their business. I feel like if just one major story was shown to be false all organizations would be able to say that it shows that going forward all the facts need to be internally investigated thoroughly before any rash decision is made. Then it just goes away and nothing happens. Companies are able to damage control by expressing concern and then letting it just fizzle out.

― Evan, Thursday, 7 December 2017 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Its inevitable there will be a counter reaction/pushback of some sort.

This is a response to that piece:

https://newrepublic.com/article/146145/married-flirty-boss-what

Nhex said that the slate piece was "long-winded", which is very much true and is what The New Republic picks up on, effectively. It does labour on her own history. It does start with what's happening at The Paris Review which is quite a different case. The man at the centre of that has clearly abused his position with a variety of women whereas Allison's now husband didn't in the sense they married, had kids and he didn't go on to play around with others, nor abuse his position in anyway. In the Slate piece there are a couple of further anecdotes from friends depicting the overall atmosphere and multi-faceted interactions. Ultimately both writers found themselves in what could be seen as relationships that were inappropriate -- one with a happy outcome, one not. Both agree (in a roundabout way) that while places of work and study bring people together this isn't a site to exercise power over a person. The point in the end is to protect the powerless.

It does start with what's happening at The Paris Review which is quite a different case. The man at the centre of that has clearly abused his position with a variety of women whereas Allison's now husband didn't in the sense they married, had kids and he didn't go on to play around with others, nor abuse his position in anyway.

wtf is this distinction??? being promiscuous, adulterous.... these are not crimes iirc????????

Op-Ed Dylan Farrow: Why has the #MeToo revolution spared Woody Allen?

It isn’t just power that allows men accused of sexual abuse to keep their careers and their secrets. It is also our collective choice to see simple situations as complicated and obvious conclusions as a matter of “who can say”? The system worked for Harvey Weinstein for decades. It works for Woody Allen still.

wtf is this distinction??? being promiscuous, adulterous.... these are not crimes iirc????????

This needs more exclamation marks, son.

possible reasons:

one (family) accuser, based on the testimony of a then-child (and two of whose siblings have expressed doubt of her account)

the inability of most of us to hire an investigative team to determine if ***** or *** is crazier

xp

Yada yada yada have you read the piece?

Hrm, as YMP mentioned earlier they are extremely certainly engaged in this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/womans-effort-to-infiltrate-the-washington-post-dates-back-months/2017/11/29/ce95e01a-d51e-11e7-b62d-d9345ced896d_story.html

i can't buy the "Mia is crazy, so the kid is lying" defense. also even if you can force yourself to ignore the child molestation allegations, Allen's a fucking creep ten times over.

Allen's a fucking creep ten times over.

I agree!

I never said "the kid is lying." This take from 2 years ago is fairly close to mine:

http://enchantedmitten.blogspot.com/2015/07/on-woody-allen-ignorance-and-degrees-of.html

Another?

http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/arizonas-trent-franks-expected-resign

https://www.washingtonian.com/2017/12/07/mike-flynn-signs-his-name-with-a-smiley-face/

Many of the female senators who called on him to resign visibly emotional as they hugged him

— Eliza Collins (@elizacollins1) December 7, 2017

I know John wouldn’t have punished me at work had I not been interested in his advances; if he had, that would have been harassment, and not OK.

*scribbles furiously*

I didn't think much of the Slate article, but the New Republic article is very good at articulating why - thanks, xyzzzz__

Charles Pierce: http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a14381583/al-franken-resign-moral-high-ground/

That grates

Interesting how he doesn’t trot out his Thesaurus Rex defending a fellow funny old guy

in short, the Republicans are awful so why should we even try to be decent human beings

i get the sense that pierce is trying to say that he thinks many of the accusations against franken are fishy without actually saying it, what w/ bringing up the "political hijacking" of the paul wellstone funeral and praising franken for not confessing.

in short, the Republicans are awful so why should we even try to be decent human beings

― Nhex, Thursday, December 7, 2017 7:40 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm literally struggling mightily with motivation now for this reason. not with people I already know and care about, but complete strangers, I almost feel shocked and amazed when I have an interaction with one that isn't a complete shitbag. which I mean...is a gross overexaggeration but this administration has me like screening everybody I interact with much harder.

And maybe all of us should have been all along. Women always had to. This is a rough time to be a guy. Piper demands payment.

Yeah its really rich to have some guys clutching their pearls now and being worried/upset about their careers, integrity etc. Cmon! You think we dont know what thats like? Look at how many of the Weinstein women, people in this vert thread commented "geez I wondered what had ever happened to her career".

relatively unrough to be a gay

Spacey’s victims matter too. Although his pattern of behavior has been litigated in several fields over the last few decades, because of prejudices against gays.

relatively unrough to be a gay

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius),

dunno what kind of guys you're seeing

Harrumph

So Singer looks done.

https://deadline.com/2017/12/bryan-singer-sued-sexual-assault-underage-boy-yacht-2003-1202222501/

Did Takei really blame his accusation on Russian internetbots?

was just going to post that. interesting. Is his attorney's statement about the Egan case true? "The attorney behind this lawsuit is the same lawyer who represented Michael Egan, the convicted felon who sued Bryan Singer in 2014. In the end, Egan was forced to dismiss that case once the facts came out and his story completely fell apart. Egan and his attorneys then found themselves as defendants in a malicious prosecution action brought by some of the individuals who Egan previously sued. In an apology to those individuals, Egan’s attorney acknowledged the claims that had been filed were ‘untrue and provably false.’ "

Did Takei really blame his accusation on Russian internetbots?

Yes.

takei accusation withered up and disappeared rather quickly

nothing to fire him from?

having only one accuser seems to help

I'm literally struggling mightily with motivation now for this reason. not with people I already know and care about, but complete strangers, I almost feel shocked and amazed when I have an interaction with one that isn't a complete shitbag. which I mean...is a gross overexaggeration but this administration has me like screening everybody I interact with much harder.

― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Thursday, December 7, 2017 7:56 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

And maybe all of us should have been all along. Women always had to. This is a rough time to be a guy. Piper demands payment.

― El Tomboto, Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:42 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Welcome to being black in America! I hope you brought a dish; this picnic is potluck.

i brought hot dish

Why don't you put that down allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll the way over here

wait actually, is it tater tot hot dish because that jive can go up front next to the ribs

and i brought MN 'salad'*

*multicolored jello with bits of celery and tunafish in it; topping = cool whip

that goes there *points at trashcan*

tater tot hot dish is the premier hot dish imo

*goes over to trashcan*
*gets attacked by ravenous state fair hornets*

Lest we forget:

Explain hot dish

hot water cornbread in an aluminum pan over sterno or gtfo imo

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/80/Hotdish.jpg

This tots topping is blowing my mind.

― A Memorable Fancy (Abbott), Thursday, February 25, 2010 1:05 PM (seven years ago)

tater tot hot dish is king of all foods

― Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Thursday, February 25, 2010 1:09 PM (seven years ago)

This is probably enough of a digression in this thread:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/06/entertainment/melanie-martinez-timothy-heller-rape/index.html

Also, what exactly did Franks resign for? Has there been his promised press statement yet?

sounds like a weird cover story, but maybe they understand in pro-life land