brexit negging when yr mandate is is trash: or further chronicles of a garbage-fire

huge ramifications for hackney if theresa may has conceded it's possible for part of the uk to remain within the single market

each person should decide whether they personally should be part of the single market or not

three things in may's medium-term survival's favour:

1: the structure the EU has kindly provided (stage 1: talks abt talks, stage 2: details) does allow her to kick the can a little down the road re the stuff foster (and others) want to lose their shit abt -- she can say "plz to not lose yr shit until we reach the stage where it's relevant" by which time enough other things may be in place to mollify key pressure groups (e.g. not sure they have an actual pressure point to lose their right-now shit at: parliament doesn't have to vote for us to go through to stage 2, and the vetoes all happen at the end) (a threatened veto can distort a negotiation but actually it needn't in the diplomats on point keep their heads)
2: no one faction or party can bring her down and the anti-may coalition is surprisingly hard to configure
3: LITERALLY NO ONE ELSE WANTS THIS CHALICE IT IS VERY VERY POISONED

caveat: "politics, dead boy, politics" (in which a week is a long time iirc)

Oh no

Do re me fa DUP: Listen to Arlene Foster belt out a classic Mariah Carey tune for charity https://t.co/QbinX9wKTS

— TheJournal.ie (@thejournal_ie) December 4, 2017

needn't in s/b needn't if

also "politics DEAR boy" politics is canon, tho i now prefer my version

elementary my dead watson

But this is creepy politicians we’re discussing, dead boys not necessarily off the menu.

Leo making an outside run at PM imo

Theresa May ringing Arlene Foster later today to pitch deal. V angry DUP source adds: "We made it clear none of this is acceptable. We'd prefer WTO instead of this". https://t.co/0txBeNajeO

— Tom Newton Dunn (@tnewtondunn) December 4, 2017

and

BREAK: Sky sources - the Prime Minister spoke to Arlene Foster by telephone within minutes of the @DUPleader's statement. If anyone thinks the C&S agreement is not an issue, think again. #Brexit

— David Blevins (@skydavidblevins) December 4, 2017

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Anguilla, a tiny British territory in the Caribbean, has warned that the island could face economic disaster after Brexit https://t.co/4UCksoYTCL

— The Times of London (@thetimes) December 4, 2017

Wales gone too

We cannot allow different parts of the UK to be more favourably treated than others. If one part of the UK is granted continued participation in the Single Market & Customs Union, then we fully expect to be made the same offer.

— Carwyn Jones (@fmwales) December 4, 2017

So here we go again. #london and #Scotland dominating news headlines about they want after this likely Irish deal. And Yorkshire's voice? Not heard...#oneyorkshire

— Yorkshire Party (@Yorkshire_Party) December 4, 2017

Irish deal!

Who will stand up for Cornwall?

That presser was... awkward

http://uk.businessinsider.com/no-deal-britain-and-eu-fail-to-reach-agreement-on-irish-border-2017-12

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Lol the DUP run Britain

Fair dos, there's None More British after all.

Coveney looking pretty naive now.

"But I have to say that she is a tough negotiator, and not an easy one. She’s defending the point of view of Britain with all the energy we know she has."

Damning.

He's a joker, Juncker.

Hearing it was the DUP call that sunk today's chances of a deal - Foster held her press conf, 20 mins later May leaves talks with Juncker to call her, goes back into the room and the deal is off

— Laura Kuenssberg (@bbclaurak) December 4, 2017

This couldn't have been handled more embarrassingly if May had walked off with the tablecloth tucked into her belt.

I don't much care beyond lulz at the moment but all these tits acting like the UK has ever been an homogeneous entity are quite annoying. Looking at you, Khan.

kicking the can down to...later this week. #okcool

why would may think the dup were going to accept this deal? surely she's not that stupid?

is it just a way of clearly highlighting that it's the dup's fault - she'll have her revenge when they lose all their seats in england, scotland and wales next election.

driving the clown car to a new parking spot down the road xp

So what's her next move? Call the DUP's bluff? In the Commons there is likely a majority in favour of this deal, or any deal that keeps us in SM, frankly. That leaves her facing a no-confidence vote, which they either let her lose and we go straight to Corbyn, or she wins and the deal's done?

This was very foreseeable as soon as they made the C&S deal so you'd think most governments wd have foreseen it. Most.

It's almost as if she's a fucking cretin or something.

Far be it from me to say etc

but in a weak semi-defence of May this is a result of the structural inadequacy of our polity as it stands

so glad she crushed the saboteurs

no wait, c&s the saboteurs

The saboteurs are calling from inside the House

Several European countries seem to have got themselves mired in prolonged electoral clusterfucks lately but I'm not sure any of them are as uniquely fucked as us right now.

Perfect storm of first past the post, main parties with huge fractures in their constituencies and nationalism pulling at the union and turning into xenophobia within England

ok so today was the required deadline to get stage 1 sorted and move onto stage 2, and whoops we missed it

but what in practice does this mean (beyond maximal egg-on-face for may for presenting it as she did)*: does everyone just continue talking away to get eventually stage 1 nailed down sometime in the near -- or distant! -- future, or does some other bad stuff kick in? wasn't this deadline one of TM's inflexible self-imposed constraints, now set aside? having to take more time *isn't* really a downside for her, is it? the constriant was self-imposed to persuade the brexit nutter squad she was serious. as long as no one is stepping up to challenge her, what's changed here?

*this lousy presentation is of course a repeat problem (and a pathological symptom): viz the announcement re not fully funding manchester after the terrorist attack, and then backing down on this the next day

Luckily it's a timetable rather than I target I assume. In the strict bullshit government indicators sense I mean

To round off the day:

Scottish Westminster voting intention:

SNP: 37% (-2)
LAB: 28% (+2)
CON: 25% (-1)
LDEM: 7% (-)

via @Survation, 27 - 30 Nov
Chgs. w/ September.

— Britain Elects (@britainelects) December 4, 2017

1 in 4 Scots supporting the Tories, cunts.

unionism is a helluva drug

simonk133 talks thru the issue i was bothered abt above, re the thing which now kicks in (= eu not allowing us to move to stage 2 w/o firming up a soft b in all parts of the uk)*

I think UK gov has basically checkmated itself here. Principle that border can only be soft through regulatory convergence has been accepted, and they can't now back away from this or Ire/EU will block phase 2. But DUP won't accept NI special status so to get this through (cont)

— Simon (@simonk_133) December 4, 2017

*albeit in occluded language

the one condition it will work under obv is if the brexit arrangement for the mainland also looks quite a lot like the single market

Maybe they can sell the idea that the UK is staying in the single market and England minus London is the exceptional case.

brexit negging when yr mandate is is trash: or further chronicles of a garbage-fire