Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

i have been haunted by that story
i wish i hadn't read it
were they prosecuted?

Fellow dudes, if you are in this thread, just remember every time you make it about yourself, you’re making it not about someone else, probably a woman, probably a minority, and your point is better served by listening. It is hard. It can be impossible at times, because we are taught that we should strive to be heard.

It should be fucking obvious that a dude trying to win an argument with another dude is inappropriate in this context. Having said that, I believe I have won all future arguments with fellow dudes, for sure. HA HA I am the wokest, I got first.

This is why we can’t ever listen.

Boys are the worst

idk. boys don't get to be like "boys are the worst" and then leave it there. that sounds like the friend who's always like "i have to flake again, I'm the worst!" It's a cop out. try to be better, don't expect anyone to notice or care that you're trying, just try your best to not live up to "boys are the worst"

for example, i would much prefer to be engaged in a productive interactive conversation over simply being listened to. i would rather be part of a/the conversation than the focus of it. it feels better to be shown that i am worthy of engagement, to be treated as an equal, than it does to simply be heard.

it's also illuminating how easily and naturally these derailed conversations develop -- being aware of that is a start.

keep trying!

exactly

my thing right now is this

since you multitudes of dudes can count on one hand the number of women participating in this thread currently, it would be good if you were occasionally mindful of who’s doing all the talking and just, idk, ask a question or reframe the conversation.

we are weary of this subject and bummed out by it and leery of how close to home it all feels but we’re still here because it feels worthwhile to talk about it. well, ok me, i wont speak for anyone else.

just. respect the issue at the heart of this thread revive. remember why we came here and what we’re here to talk about.

that’s all.

I don't know who this Geist person is but surely the puffy-faced sociopath from breaking bad is Jesse Plemons/Tod

Did I solve the thread

(I mean that describes many of the characters from that show)

ohh true he does look like him

since you multitudes of dudes can count on one hand the number of women participating in this thread currently, it would be good if you were occasionally mindful of who’s doing all the talking and just, idk, ask a question or reframe the conversation.

I don't really participate in this thread, but I read it, so I would like to know who the woman participating are. I know some of you, but some names I'm not sure. LL, VG, Trayce, In Orbit, Horseshoe, who else?

*cough*

It does feel like something new is happening, like for years there was talk of “oh Terry Richardson is horrible” but the fashion business’s MO seemed to be “never acknowledge it” - I am a little curious about whether there was pressure to not publish any answer to a question about him, or whether the fashion press is sufficiently a courtier industry that it was never asked.

Or maybe it was reported and didn’t matter - the other matter that struck me was Eddie Berganza, an editor in the DC Superman office, who had semi-blind items and a silent demotion for sexual assault five years ago, and was actually named last year and nothing happened, and now there’s a Buzzfeed article and DC are shocked, shocked and now he’s finally gone.

Which is to say that I understand the tendency to go “oh this will revert to the mean”, and it’s the hope that kills you etc etc but dudes saying that nothing will change should maybe be aware how that looks when things are already changing.

Also as a result I can’t blame DeRogatis for thinking “okay the New Yorker is a pretty big deal, maybe one more fucking Kelly article will make a difference”, but I’m also not surprised if it’s one more fucking Kelly article.

Especially if it's in the print issue, having the story in the New Yorker will reach a whole new audience.

And fair enough to say legally this is all consenting adults, but if one of the parents was a movie director or politician, etc...

I assume this has become a general thread for related stories? Add Jays broadcaster Gregg Zaun to the list.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/baseball/mlb/gregg-zaun-rogers-sportsnet-fired-1.4427565

https://apnews.com/3895454a10004f258ed7e18f25c74a26?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=APCentralRegion

CHICAGO (AP) — Details of alleged sexual assaults by Hollywood mogul Harvey Weinstein, comedian Bill Cosby and other famous figures are now widely known in part because several accusers did something they promised in writing never to do: They talked publicly about their allegations.

When those women spoke out, they broke nondisclosure agreements — contractual pledges not to discuss what happened that are common features of financial settlements. In doing so, they helped start a national discussion about sexual misconduct and showed that the agreements do not necessarily offer the same ironclad protection that for decades has shielded the rich and powerful.

A look at how the agreements work and what can happen when accusers go public anyway:

Seeing more rumblings that the next big stories will be Broadway-focused, thus

I have a feeling the world of Broadway is going to be rocked to its foundations. We'd better wear our seatbelts for the next few days.

— Lea Salonga (@MsLeaSalonga) December 1, 2017

hmm

broadway is just a less lucrative and powerful version of Hollywood, so it makes sense that it would share many of the same dynamics

if Lin Manuel Miranda gets ruined I'll consider that a bonus

This appears to be the first story as such

http://www.playbill.com/article/sexual-harassment-allegations-shake-broadway-casting-company-telsey-co

supposedly "just the tip of the iceberg" acc to that thread

Speculating or wishing people to be outed or caught without any inside information or special understanding = suuuuuuuuuuuper gross but ymmv

^^^^ how i feel about most of these conversations

Separately, sounds like someone heard from a lawyer or two.

27 years ago I wrote a tawdry book depicting consensual events in 1973-45 years ago-I’ve deeply regretted its distasteful & disrespectful tone & have refrained from speaking about it-I’m embarrassed & profoundly sorry to those mentioned-I have & again apologize to anyone offended

— Geraldo Rivera (@GeraldoRivera) December 1, 2017

Although I recall the time @BetteMidler has alluded to much differently than she, that does not change the fact that she has a right to speak out & demand an apology from me, for in the very least, publically embarrassing her all those years ago. Bette, I apologize.

— Geraldo Rivera (@GeraldoRivera) December 1, 2017

"While I recall events much differently..." is the new hot phrase heading into 2018.

It's kinda trivial in the greater scheme of things, but I'm still waiting to see an apology that's just, "I fucked up, I'm sorry."

supposedly "just the tip of the iceberg"

Hey now, careful with the anti-Semitism itt

if Lin Manuel Miranda gets ruined I'll consider that a bonus

― Οὖτις, Friday, December 1, 2017 12:22 PM (thirty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh fuck off

Speculating that this weekend might be NYCers' last chance to see a few different Bway musicals before they grind to a halt after Monday.

^ he knows whereof he speaks, folks.

extremely curious what folks think of this piece by laura kipnis, who i have issues w/ (including some glaring ones in this piece cf the notion of women as the 'last' colonized people which is a bizarre variation on the old 'woman is the nword of the world' chestnut) but who seems to at the very least have thought pretty hard about this...idk i suspect part of her brand is being contrarian & suspect lots of guys will share this, but also conventional wisdom is bad so at any rate before i say any more, i'm curious what people think:
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2017/12/21/kick-against-the-pricks/

i havent even finished reading it but its bringing up some interesting observations for sure & yikes did it just go to a dark place

good piece imo. The paragraph about Dinnerstein is a little o_0 but I don't generally go in for that level of Freudian discourse as applied to broad social patterns.

She touches on something that has been bugging me about a lot of this story but I wasnt sure how to word it without sounding weird:

bout those chopped-down potentates and lords: many of them, one couldn’t help but notice, were not the most attractive specimens on the block: bulbous, jowly men; fat men who told women they needed to lose weight; ugly men drawn to industries organized around female appearance. Men with weird hair. Is it wrong of me to bring this up?

These guys have everything, but they are still gross and middle aged and fat so with power comes the ability to just take it anyway, take what they believe they are owed.

i feel like theres some questionable glossing over going on in some of this but maybe some also worthwhile points? i know shes seen as fairly controversial (or arguably an apologist) but those are the least-interesting aspects of this imo

oh god bari weiss linked it i regret everything

http://ew.com/movies/2017/12/01/bohemian-rhapsody-production-halted-bryan-singer/

I thought i'd read that film was done shooting.

anyway nice of EW to only refer to Freddie Mercury's "health struggles" on World AIDS Day.

OK, I'm kinda taken aback at this one

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/writer-radio-host-john-hockenberry-harassed-co-workers-article-1.3671639

So the "Broadway" revelation is about Ad-Rock's dad?

Nah, that went around again a couple of days ago -- all indications are it's something more.

One of the Cats surely

Israel Horovitz has only had one or two plays on B'way ever

My guess is that it will be 3-5 names that few outside Bway would know, but everyone involved w/ Bway will know very well. And to the sadness of many ILXors, probably not LMM.

I dont think LMM is even on Broadway anymore

https://nypost.com/2017/12/02/legendary-opera-conductor-molested-teen-for-years-police-report/amp/

i liked that kipnis piece. i strive to be as electric in my writing as she is

re: Maura's link, that was the most open of open secrets; it was the first piece of gossip I heard passed around when he became artistic director of the BSO in 2004.

+ maura to list of women itt

i think that brings us to 6!

what did they change the name of Prairie Home Companion to?

i thought the kipnis piece was probably good but i didn't get most of her references :-/

"Town Hall" apparently

even for Shakey the LMM comment....yeesh