US Politics November 2017

what would Woodrow Wilson have tweeted

how many people do u think take their moral cues from the president of the united states? ime most ppl consider themselves better people than the president no matter who the president is at the time.

i'm totally worse than obama, except for the bombing

your bombing was much better

what would Woodrow Wilson have tweeted

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, November 29, 2017 1

I shudder to think!

but Wilson and Nixon would've self-censored. Give Trump credit ("I could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue") for knowing he doesn't have to.

that's true

Let's ask him!

The word always was that Lauer had girls on the side and God help anybody who talked.

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) November 29, 2017

My mother was even doubling down on the Pochahantas comments, so I cannot wait to hear what she has to say about BF *dies*

It's just going to embolden people who already tend toward shittiness by demonstrating that they can maybe get away with letting their id do the driving.

― Ripped Taylor (Old Lunch), Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:46 AM

The boldness and willingness to be shitty is definitely trickling down and infecting previously mild-mannered people. My mother broke my heart at Thanksgiving last week when she said all those NFL protestors should be thrown in jail. I mean, she's an 85-year-old white southerner, she was already a racist, but she's willing to preach it now.

Ugh, exactly that. Why hide your hateful feelings like you have something to be ashamed about when the president clearly supports you and people are holding rallies and proudly saying what you're thinking?

posted on Scott Lemieux's site:

Congressional Republicans seem to be falling victim to the same fallacy that Democrats did in 2016, which is assuming that they have a floor among white demographic subsets. Democrats assumed that Obama’s 2012 numbers among HS-educated whites were the floor – that they were so bad that the remaining ones were ideological Dems who voted for a black guy and would be turned off by Trump’s racism. This was wrong.

But I think Republicans are falling for the same thinking now among college educated whites – basically assuming those that didn’t defect to Clinton are ideological conservatives who will vote GOP no matter what. I think 2017 Virginia tends to show this line of thinking is faulty, and Republicans have *way* more ground to lose with college educated whites (a demographic group Trump narrowly carried) than Dems did with HS-educated whites.

People are making the mistake of conflating the base with the pivotal voters – those that get you from 40% to 50% of the national vote. And those pivotal GOP voters aren’t racists in Youngstown (that’s the base!), they’re the couple in their late 40s making 90k in a nice upper middle class suburb. Assuming that those folks’ 2016 vote for Trump was a wholehearted endorsement of his racist and nationalist message is as much of a fallacy as having assumed that the blue collar Macomb County voter who flipped from Bush to Obama in 2008 was making a stand for racial equality.

And the GOP – typically the guardian of suburban values and pocketbook issues for those folks – is currently offering them nothing.

"There are a lot of killers. We've got a lot of killers. What, you think our country is so innocent?" an ILXer responded.

"voting" won't matter much longer anyways, what with epic gerrymandering, kobachian voter suppression, and international social media Веб-бригады. say hello to the dominionist states of liberteria : )

In re the meanness trickling down, I definitely see that working in local govt., but it's across the spectrum. I don't mean to be all "both sides do it," but it seems to me that people in general on left and right and elsewise are flying off the handle with ad hominem vitriol a lot more easily these days. On the left it's more under the SJW banner, and I do not mean to imply an equivalency between SJWs and white supremacists. But the volume is higher all the way around, and it makes it harder to have reasonable discussions about anything.

And I do think the tone being set by DJT has a lot to do with it.

Britain First retweets are the leading story on the BBC btw.

NPR unsurprisingly led hourly news with Keillor, followed by Trump-BF.

And I do think the tone being set by DJT has a lot to do with it.

well, yeah. if there's one thing Trump is doing to this country it's teaching people that you don't need standards of proof or sound arguments or facts or anything like that, and that every criticism can be deflected with "FAKE NEWS!" or screeching about Hillary. why spend any brainpower engaging with someone who is not going to comprehend a single word you say?

trump isn't an aberration. he's the boss at a shitty job people put up with because they're broke. nothing new here since ronald reagan deconstructed the new deal's / great society's taxation and regulatory protocols, except for maybe the buffoonish blatantness they're rubbing everyone's face in

trump is the living embodiment of every racist chain email my dad has sent me since obama took office, and that's all i'll say about it

he's also guilty of quid pro quo with the russian government . . . and may not even be aware that's illegal

April Ryan not invited to WH Xmas party for the first time in 20 years: http://www.theroot.com/april-ryan-not-invited-to-white-house-holiday-party-for-1820841055

Ugh, apparently Ann Coulter was the first person to tweet this BF shit.

She was. She rt'd one video. But the three Trump rt'd were older, which means Coulter's rt lead to Trump scrolling down and down that Britain First person's TL to find them.

Ie THE PRESIDENT OF THE USA spent at least ten minutes on this woman's TL.

Decent thread:

common thread in many of these bad faith attacks on press are that they seek to exploit public's misunderstanding/ignorance of how we do what we do. for a long time I've thought media's biggest mistake is assuming our audiences understand journalism conventions/how we do our jobs

— Wesley Lowery (@WesleyLowery) November 29, 2017

Countdown to Ryan and McConnell expressing their disappointment in the president's RTs, and then Trump pretty much repeating Huckabee's statement and somehow making it worse, lots of pundits vehemently condemning the president's words and actions, fast forward to two weeks from now when Trump has somehow done something even worse and absolutely no one is talking about these videos at all. It's a little predictable at this point, but it's still a fun ride!

he's also guilty of quid pro quo with the russian government . . . and may not even be aware that's illegal

P sure this is going to be a line of defense. Is it collusion if you don't even know you're colluding?

similarly, i expect OrangeApe had an incomplete understanding of Britain First's public profile

Well then I'm sure he'll apologize for the error of having retweeted in ignorance. At the very least, you can be assured that he won't double down or anything.

I'm sure he'll apologize for the error

Error77077: does not compute

trying to remember his last apology. did he sort of manage to say the words for the conclusion of the birth certificate thing, just before he made the argument that he was finishing an investigative that clinton started?

^ say the words "i'm sorry" ^
^ finishing an invstigative investigation ^

Murkowski a yes on taxes, it's gonna pass

Congrats to all my fellow ilxors making 7 figures

who wants to be my roommate? all offers considered

fuck

It's kind of a horrifying thought experiment to imagine the absolute worst things Trump could accidentally (or 'accidentally') disseminate and what he might say afterwards to justify his actions.

Of course, a year ago I might have used something like 'Trump retweets far right wing snuff videos' as the improbably ott hypothetical scenario around which I constructed such a thought experiment, so I'm kinda uncertain of where to go from here.

who wants to be my roommate? all offers considered

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, November 29, 2017 2:46 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fuck

― horseshoe, Wednesday, November 29, 2017 2:47 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That's a good offer but you're supposed to open low.

very good, one in a row

dems should force the republicans to repeal the tax cuts on the rich and make the middle class tax cuts permanent, or no deal on the debt ceiling. fuck it

the GOP doesn't have the votes to pass a debt ceiling raise without the '"freedom" caucus' and/or the democratic minority. play hardball chuck and nancy! either the deficit hawk '"freedom' caucus' votes to add $1.5 trillion to the deficit (and guarantees they'll lose in 2018) or the economy gets it : )

i feel depressed about this tax bill

racist islamophobic trump tweets bum me out too but this tax bill seems worse

the tax bill will send out much larger and more lasting waves compared to the temporary ripples from an one racist tweet

yup

P sure this is going to be a line of defense. Is it collusion if you don't even know you're colluding?

"is it stealing if you didn't know you couldn't take it" unlikely to hold up in court

vs the hyper-rich unlikely to ever see the inside of a courtroom for long, let alone justice

Subpoenas are being sent to 23 Trump businesses requiring them to preserve records that may be sought by the attorneys general from the District of Columbia and Maryland in a lawsuit accusing the president of profiting from his office.

U.S. District Judge Peter Messitte on Tuesday issued a two-paragraph order granting the Democratic officials’ request for permission to serve those subpoenas, which don’t call for the immediate production of any information.

DC Attorney General Karl Racine and his Maryland counterpart, Brian Frosh, contend the president’s continued ownership of his business empire -- including the Trump International Hotel in Washington -- enables him to make money from foreign and domestic governments, breaching two Constitutional clauses intended to prevent that.

Attorneys for President Donald Trump have asked the court to toss the emoluments case, arguing the states lack the legal injuries that would give them a right to sue. They also say the Constitution doesn’t cover presidents’ private business activities that are unrelated to their government service. Oral argument is set for Jan. 25.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-29/trump-businesses-to-get-retention-subpoenas-in-emoluments-case

Hmm, CNN at least is starting to go there.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/29/politics/president-donald-trump-competency/index.html