Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

Ugh, did not know about the Stone connection.

Ties in with this story from last week about Breitbart's Coming Exploitation of the Believe Women Movement.

yeah... I want to be extremely careful about being That Guy but I am hopeful we'll hear more from other sources on this one

If Franken could put up a better "defense"...would he?

well he is a democrat

even if it's a right wing smear job he's fucked

yea Tweeden was one of the hosts of Red Eye for a while wasn't she? I hate to go there as well but there's a chance this has been in someone's pocket for a while

If it happened in 2006, imagine the impact if the pic would have surfaced in Franken's election campaign. Those 314 votes (and Senate majority...) seems even tighter.

would like to see an oppo research nuclear war break out in the Congress

^^ That's the thing. No need to mute Stone as much as having everyone go for broke.

I mean, Stone is the one who lined up the Bill Clinton women at the last Presidential debate.

an oppo research nuclear war break out in the Congress

I doubt it would confine itself to just ridding us of the 'bad' people, after which the good would triumph and peace would reign. Seems to me the result would be a humpty-dumpty situation, where Congress would altogether cease to function as an institution. For all time.

Franken's statement is really as good as I think it could be, under the circumstances, calling for an ethics investigation on himself (and preempting others).

If the Believe Women movement is to be cynically exploited by the Roger Stones of the world, we can expect ambitious politicians will start adopting policies like Mike Pence's, to have a minder with them at all private meetings, with the insinuation that some women and men will make shit up.

Imagine having "politician chaperone" on your resume.

If the Believe Women movement is to be cynically exploited by the Roger Stones of the world,

this was an inevitable and smart move. calling for an ethics investigation is pretty absurd considering there's a picture

look who's jumping on the "burn it all down" train

Honestly the Senate should just expel itself and start over.

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) November 16, 2017

Well there were probably witnesses. Unfortunately, the other people on that tour were Mark Wills (country singer, NRA Life Member), Darryl Worley (country singer, performed at Trump's inaugural), Keni Thomas (country singer and vet, featured on Christian Broadcasting Network), and members of the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders.

imo the left is uniquely susceptible to the use of harassment/abuse charges as a political cudgel since their constituents (both political and in media/hollywood) actually care about the charges whereas the right can rely to some extent on embedded structural patriarchy (esp in religious circles), and just general distrust of liberal institutions to get a pass (tho obv the right hasn't been totally spared from recent revelations). not to say this should have any bearing on whether predators should be called out - just something to keep in mind that the left's decency on this issue can/will be used against them.

Roger Stone's an idiot for tweeting that out

As I said upthread, his brother was also on this tour. The most memorable thing about the story I was told was the two crates of oysters from Le Baron Rouge that O (who lives in Paris) sorted for a formal dinner.

just something to keep in mind that the left's decency on this issue can/will be used against them

Something like that, anyway.

Look he better have done it the way she said or I'll have gotten totally outraged for nothing

Meanwhile...

Old Vic says 20 men made allegations against Kevin Spacey https://t.co/FGF4nXoCdN pic.twitter.com/vN1syHQAuP

— The Age (@theage) November 16, 2017

next year Americans will find institutional murder by the USG just as offensive as molesters, I can feel it

this thread is a growing monument to the left's moral superiority

take it to the rolling politics thread

i am all for talking abt the shitty predatory behaviour of politicians but all other shit that goes along with that is just sneering windbaggery that has no place here

thank u

ok but that Al Franken photo is gross af

did someone say otherwise?

i don't know, do you think so? i am stating my opinion for the record. i feel strongly about this. if i was there on the helicopter i would have told him to cut that shit out, that is not cool. we are going to joke about non consensual sexual acts 2 years after Abu Grahib. ffs

Well there were probably witnesses. Unfortunately, the other people on that tour were Mark Wills (country singer, NRA Life Member), Darryl Worley (country singer, performed at Trump's inaugural), Keni Thomas (country singer and vet, featured on Christian Broadcasting Network), and members of the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders.

― Sanpaku, Thursday, November 16, 2017 2:52 PM (nine hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wtf is this? this the "she was dressed sexily"/"he was smoking weed/a thug" of the left? these redneck hick country singers and cheerladers are from the dilapidated small towns that produce volunteers for our armed forces. these yokels are on this mission for their country just like the great Hollywood liberal and he is the one being a huge jerk.

what are you trying to say? i think it goes without saying everyone in this thread finds the photo repulsive

yeah is this just like a weird emphatic "I agree with everyone" tantrum or

I don't know that Adam's being unclear - Sanpaku is saying that the other people on this tour are Republican 'types' / people whose careers depend on love from Republicans, so are not likely to come forward with any potential mitigating context. And Adam's calling them out on this.

Lol funny that when you go on tour to entertain the occupation army in Iraq, most of your colleagues will be right wingers.

I dunno, maybe this fact should have induced some self-reflection in Franken at the time.

tl/dr: sexual harassment not his most serious crime here

That is a stunningly bad take.

yeah you can't apply tl:dr to a 2 sentence post jfc

i ate a sandwich

tl;dr: i ate

tl;dr: i8

Readers [url=https://greilmarcus.net/ask-greil-2/]ask Greil Marcus about Bill Clinton[/i]:

With Bill Clinton, I think there is, suddenly, a rush to judgment, right now, to let no stone go unturned. I think it ought to be remembered that the accusations against him by the women Donald Trump was able to sign up, if not pay off, to counter the scandal over his taped bragging that he could and as a matter of course did get away with anything, and I think more important to him than countering any scandal, to humiliate Hillary Clinton before the second presidential debate last year, either to throw her off or, I believe, just for the pleasure of humiliating her, have to be seen (I realize that this is an absurdly convoluted sentence, but I think it scans, so please bear with me) in the context of, it not part of, the enormous scandal-machine, the accurately described vast right-wing conspiracy, to destroy Bill Clinton. Remember the Clinton hit lists, the body-counts, which claimed more than twenty murders on the part of the Clintons during Bill Clinton’s years as governor of Arkansas and after? Remember that much of what has been said by Clinton’s accusers—and Monica Lewinsky was not an accuser—fits perfectly with the narrative that had been constructed before they came, or were brought forward, and that the word narrative, in political use if not standard definition, means constructed, which is to say false, story? Some people find the sexual harassment and worse described by Kathleen Wiley credible. Do her claims that the Clintons had not only her husband but her pet killed buttress the credibility of her sexual accusations or, you know, make you laugh?

oops

what an asshole

i81b4u

https://www.hugi.is/media/contentimages/385x300/144856.png

^ my favorite mid '70s Bowie song

Another. Also, the first big name from Vice.

http://variety.com/2017/digital/news/vice-jason-mojica-suspended-sexual-harassment-1202617460/

Jeffrey Tambor: I am "volatile," but not a predator

http://www.vulture.com/2017/11/jeffrey-tambor-admits-flaws-following-harassment-claims.html

Mad Men producer supports writer's account of Matt Weiner harassment

http://www.vulture.com/2017/11/marti-noxon-calls-matthew-weiner-an-emotional-terrorist.html

https://adequateman.deadspin.com/shitty-male-apologies-from-this-news-cycle-ranked-1820550283

Legitimately curious, did anyone accused have a "good" apology?

Taibbi's was better than the ones listed, i thought

good apology probably starts at self-castration

i missed the Richard Dreyfuss thing (his son's account re Spacey groping him makes this ... ohnevermind)

The whole apology thing is weird. Are people expecting apologies to make everything right? An apology won't undo anything. Pretty much the most you can expect is a person to admit they did something wrong and promise not to do it again.