Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

let me be the first to apologize for being a disgusting incrementalist

burn it all down otm, imo

there are two kinds of people: those who have faith in the system & its ability to self correct, and those who see it as fundamentally fucked up

a lot of people i know who have the most faith in the system see it in the most clear-minded way; those are the more right wing types who appreciate the advantages it has given them

I don't agree with that either because I am both of those people

I ensure all my new employees are familiar with the word "sisyphean"

yeah idk burning everything down only works if you include everyone in your new world

if you're too selective, you don't get Sisyphus deciding not to roll the boulder, you get... Atlas shrugging

I mean yes, the system is fundamentally fucked up, because it is made of human beings

but also, deliberate incremental change is less likely to result in wholesale destruction and mass murder and plundering and so forth

or what mh said

burn it all down is the goal, though

The biggest problem with burning it all down is that the people with access to the resources that will allow you to start over usually use those resources to the see the fire coming and either abscond with as much of them as they can, making the "start over" part even harder than it already is, or insert themselves into the process of starting over so they can make sure the new system still benefits them.

I think there is a lot of romantic appeal to hitting the reset button but navigating the practicality of actually doing it is fraught with peril; I won't say that makes it not worth doing but it should be taken into consideration in your planning.

What does "burn it all down" mean in concrete terms? Boycotting Hollywood movies?

arson, imo

Concrete beams don't burn

being shitty to women is the foundation of modern civilization
i hope we can burn it down but i would like to suggest controlled burns until we can get a better idea of how to proceed when the burning is complete

rebecca traister's most recent article is a series of truth bombs we can start with

humanity is wretched and violent and always will be imo

the world is mean and man uncouth!

https://www.spin.com/featured/fyf-fest-sean-carlson-sexual-harassment-assault-allegations/

are we going to get into the "it's possible to set goals that are persistent because you never completely reach them" discussion again? because I think they're useful

no more misogyny
no more harassment
no more

the only problem is when you set goals that you never get started on because oh what's the use

LL you mean this one right

https://www.thecut.com/2017/11/rebecca-traister-on-the-post-weinstein-reckoning.html

yes

la lechera otm

imo it’s a shitty look to pile-on the “burn it all down” sentiment

if there is anywhere that “burn it all down” should be otm’d repeatedly it’s here in this thread!

if that’s cliched or impractical blah blah humans are the problem etc etc oh well go roll your eyes somewhere where i can’t see you

i get the chinstroking etc & i’m not saying dont do that but don’t just kneekjerk dismiss it like that, it makes you look like dicks

this isn’t a fuckin board meeting of town supervisors ffs

the traister article is extremely good until the last paragraph when it feels like she felt the need to let her foot off the necks of her enemies, or something. Sorry for the violent image but it feels apropos. The "optimism" of a few election results is hella 'neoliberal' in the current vogue sense of the term

The most practical, 'lite' version of burning it down wrt the entertainment industry is probably to avoid personally helping to subsidize people/companies who create or prop up regressive shit. You vote with your dollars. They're called 'dollar votes'.

The biggest problem with burning it all down is that the people with access to the resources that will allow you to start over usually use those resources to the see the fire coming and either abscond with as much of them as they can, making the "start over" part even harder than it already is, or insert themselves into the process of starting over so they can make sure the new system still benefits them.

I think there is a lot of romantic appeal to hitting the reset button but navigating the practicality of actually doing it is fraught with peril; I won't say that makes it not worth doing but it should be taken into consideration in your planning.

― the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Wednesday, November 15, 2017 11:07 AM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i have no practical suggestions re: burning it all down, but i think its still important to recognize that we cant really just patch things up & have faith in the system once again (not arguing w/ you here djp just making a broader point)

The most practical, 'lite' version of burning it down wrt the entertainment industry is probably to avoid personally helping to subsidize people/companies who create or prop up regressive shit. You vote with your dollars. They're called 'dollar votes'.

― Home of the Ill-Considered Gravy Spigot (Old Lunch), Wednesday, November 15, 2017 11:23 AM (thirty-three seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ahh yes the old 'consume our way to good behavior' theory

VG OTM IMO

xpost Far from perfect, not all-encompassing, better than nothing.

free range fair trade organic entertainment that looks down upon exploited lower class entertainment thats just chasing a few bucks

respectability politics of pop songs

here we go: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/15/16634776/clinton-lewinsky-resigned

Allegedly an up-and-comer on the conservative side:

Wes Goodman - former top staffer for Jim Jordan and Heritage - resigns from Ohio state house over "inappropriate behavior" https://t.co/SjBgBN4Lmt

— Betsy Woodruff (@woodruffbets) November 15, 2017

VG <3

this isn’t a fuckin board meeting of town supervisors ffs i loled

<3

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Csu1xFjXYAEcZIM.jpg

apparently, she's performing that at her long-delayed NJ/BK shows?

a wise man once said "the world is a vampire"...

being shitty to women is the foundation of modern civilization
i hope we can burn it down but i would like to suggest controlled burns until we can get a better idea of how to proceed when the burning is complete

LL otm.

feel like calling out shit is a good strategy. if people in the future know there is no way they can get away w stuff the way they could for thousands of years, they will think twice about doing so.

adam can i just say you've been str8 fire itt

What does "burn it all down" mean in concrete terms? Boycotting Hollywood movies?

for me the important thing is to help bring about a society where these massive power and income differentials just don't happen in any industry

a wise man once said "the world is a vampire"...

Billy Corgan is the opposite of wise

here we go: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/15/16634776/clinton-lewinsky-resigned

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), 15. november 2017 18:31 (forty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is good. Clinton would in the best of all worlds have been Gary Hart'ed in 92, though.

it's possible we would have had Gore in 2000 in that scenario, which looks v attractive in retrospect. but these kind of hypotheticals aren't really helpful imo.

Wasn't Gore also accused of assault tho?

http://people.com/celebrity/al-gore-accused-of-sexual-assault/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/al-gore-cleared-former-vp-baffled-by-sex-assault-allegations/

One of the reasons the judge gave for dropping the charges was "Celebrity issues."

vegemite girl and la lechera otm

i was being hyperbolic of course but at the same time if you can’t see mel gibson’s holiday tentpole or xxxtentacion’s upper echelon festival bookings as capitulating to the “well gotta follow the money, i guess!” moral-compass abdication that led to the other situations described above happening in the first place idk what to say

like there’s incremental change and then there’s immediate public relations cleanup followed by the same old bullshit, and i’m worried that the future will bring more of the latter.

Yeah the Gibson thing is infuriating, also the double standard when it comes to rappers & sexual assault, why are Kodak Black and xxxtentacion still getting coverage

probably inadvertently appropriate casting that he's playing Mark Wahlberg's dad in that film tbh.

xposts:

The hypotheticals aren't about what would have happened in 2000 with Al Gore, but what signal it would have sent regarding treatment of women. Also, I just like that the article is honest and well researched, whereas for instance the atlantic piece disingenuously hid the timeline so that it wasn't clear who defended Clinton from what. Which was then used to blame women for defending Clinton for the Broaddrick allegation, which became public later.

It's just really powerful the way everything is distilled down to what is absolutely not in dispute, and then saying that's already enough for a resignation.

burn it all down imo

'burn it all down' is a sentiment, not a plan. but I'm ok with burning it all down, as long as there are still books to read in the new paradise found.